Good name for Norman Francia?

[FishieFan]

the island was never britain before the anglosaxons invaded Prydain/Pyrthain, or the roman province of Britania, meant the part that became england. And believe me if the Saxons had taken it all it'd all be Anglaland.
Only changing sensibilities had it all be united under the name britain with the act of union.

The Latin name for the region was brittania, Wales was part of Brittania Superior. Hibernia would later be seen as part of Brittania too, hence why ireland is included in the modern day term 'British isles'. Lusitania kinda maps onto modern day Portugal which is why that was the latin name for the Kingdom. Wales has the great distinction of having its name meaning foreigners and never having its own kingdom

 

[TheDungen]

The Latin name for the region was brittania, Wales was part of Brittania Superior. Hibernia would later be seen as part of Brittania too, hence why ireland is included in the modern day term 'British isles'. Lusitania kinda maps onto modern day Portugal which is why that was the latin name for the Kingdom. Wales has the great distinction of having its name meaning foreigners and never having its own kingdom

The roman province of Britania was England south of the wall.

 

[FishieFan]

The roman province of Britania was England & Wales south of the wall.

I agree

 

[TheDungen]

I agree

Well then you'll notice that everyhting the saxons grabbed of Brittania became England and Brittania came to mean everything outside of their control.

Just how Gaul became Francia when the franks took over.

 

[FishieFan]

Well then you'll notice that everyhting the saxons grabbed of Brittania became England and Brittania came to mean everything outside of their control.

Bretwalda would disagree that Brittania means non anglo saxon

Just how Gaul became Francia when the franks took over.

Cisalpine Gaul became Lombardy so not the best example.

 

[Hermerico]

Lusitania kinda maps onto modern day Portugal which is why that was the latin name for the Kingdom.

No such thing.

Modern Portugal does correspond to roughly the western half of Lusitania and southern half of Gallaecia, but early Medieval Portugal corresponded exclusively to south Gallaecia, and it's inhabitants were just called Galicians.
Portugal was named after a Gallaecian city, which (arguably) could mean Port of Gallaecia (or just Port-Port).

By the High Medieval period Portugal expanded into what was west-Lusitania, but it still kept it's name originary in Gallaecia and people called the kingdom some variation of "Portugallia"

It was only the early modern period, during the first pieces of nationalist literature (this might come off as shocking to people who associate the rise of Nationalism with the 19th century due to a focus on central European affairs, expecially Italy, Austria and Germany, but it's worth keeping in mind that by the 16th century Portugal had a completely homogeneous population and the same exact borders for nearly 300 years, there was already a clear sense of national unity in both literature and political affairs) that the Portuguese looked back in history to try to define their origin myth and they chose the Lusitanians because it corresponded to the majority of their current (which is the same as the 16th century) borders as well as being the most famous and hyped pre-roman people of Hispania in the literature of the time.

So essentially the genesis of Portugal is in Gallaecia, and their early medieval identity was undistinguishable from Galicians, and only in the early modern period they began trying to associate themselves with Lusitanians.

 

[Portable Grump]

Just call it Francia but name all your sons Norm

all of them

This is a 10/10 idea. Please name all your sons Norm.

 

[FishieFan]

No such thing.

Modern Portugal does correspond to roughly the western half of Lusitania and southern half of Gallaecia, but early Medieval Portugal corresponded exclusively to south Gallaecia, and it's inhabitants were just called Galicians.
Portugal was named after a Gallaecian city, which (arguably) could mean Port of Gallaecia (or just Port-Port).

There is no early mediveal portugal, Nuno tried to make his own kingdom in the 11th century and failed, but in the 12th century Portugal appears as an independent state and has a familiar shape to modern day Portugal

By the High Medieval period Portugal expanded into what was west-Lusitania, but it still kept it's name originary in Gallaecia and people called the kingdom some variation of "Portugallia"

It was only the early modern period, during the first pieces of nationalist literature (this might come off as shocking to people who associate the rise of Nationalism with the 19th century due to a focus on central European affairs, expecially Italy, Austria and Germany, but it's worth keeping in mind that by the 16th century Portugal had a completely homogeneous population and the same exact borders for nearly 300 years, there was already a clear sense of national unity in both literature and political affairs) that the Portuguese looked back in history to try to define their origin myth and they chose the Lusitanians because it corresponded to the majority of their current (which is the same as the 16th century) borders as well as being the most famous and hyped pre-roman people of Hispania in the literature of the time.

So essentially the genesis of Portugal is in Gallaecia, and their early medieval identity was undistinguishable from Galicians, and only in the early modern period they began trying to associate themselves with Lusitanians.

Roman terms held over in Latin because its latin, this is why modern day Spain is called Spain and not Iberia, why 11 and 12th century norman sources talk about them settling Gaul not Francia

 

[SAS]

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