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The AI always pours all its armies to besiege just a single province thus suffering lots of attrition, especialy in winter. That gives me an idea: why don't you just attack through the Caucasus and leave Ottoman Europe alone? That way (if they haven't used all their armies to besiege Tabaristan yet
) they may attack through there and suffer attrition due to winter. That may not work, tough...BTW, if everything else fails, retreat to Russia and wait until the winter destroys them, then counterattack. You know how bad an attrition they can take invading your core provinces. Plus it's plains there, and your cavalry will rule the battlefield.
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The Real Deal - I plan to get there at some stage but its proving surprisingly hard to get down there.
Grundius - Thats the plan I've been trying to follow but they keep lifting my sieges effortlessly and still maitain three sieges in my land.
stnylan - Their attrition got as high as 22 at one point. All very nice seeing that and watching the troop numbers at the end of each month go down by 7 thousand
GrimPagan - Good to have you back. I hope that soon you'll no longer consider me a backwater nation.
jwolf - That DoW certainly was unexpected :wacko: . I'm starting to concentrate on cavalry armies to outmanouvre them and catch them on the plains. Having a big front really is an advantage against the ai, I wouldn't have fancied being in the position you were in your khazak game.
FlorisDeVijfde - Yeah they have a fascination for sieging the desert province of Bukhara so I can beat them there with luck. BTW you might want to remove that bunny from your sig before an angry admin sees it.
billy bob - I believe that will be one of the key points to winning this. Getting lots of warscore like that. As long as they hold Tabaristan I'm at a disadvantage because it counts for -22 which seems vastly disproportionate to its worth.
Mr Me - I may actually wait for them to come for mine and I'll ambush them.
rsobota - Focussing on one area is a good strategy given the high number of troops they can produce and their tech advantage.
Grundius - Thats the plan I've been trying to follow but they keep lifting my sieges effortlessly and still maitain three sieges in my land.
stnylan - Their attrition got as high as 22 at one point. All very nice seeing that and watching the troop numbers at the end of each month go down by 7 thousand
GrimPagan - Good to have you back
. I hope that soon you'll no longer consider me a backwater nation.jwolf - That DoW certainly was unexpected :wacko: . I'm starting to concentrate on cavalry armies to outmanouvre them and catch them on the plains. Having a big front really is an advantage against the ai, I wouldn't have fancied being in the position you were in your khazak game.
FlorisDeVijfde - Yeah they have a fascination for sieging the desert province of Bukhara so I can beat them there with luck. BTW you might want to remove that bunny from your sig before an angry admin sees it.
billy bob - I believe that will be one of the key points to winning this. Getting lots of warscore like that. As long as they hold Tabaristan I'm at a disadvantage because it counts for -22 which seems vastly disproportionate to its worth.
Mr Me - I may actually wait for them to come for mine and I'll ambush them.
rsobota - Focussing on one area is a good strategy given the high number of troops they can produce and their tech advantage.
Duke of Wellington said:stnylan - Their attrition got as high as 22 at one point. All very nice seeing that and watching the troop numbers at the end of each month go down by 7 thousand
billy bob - I believe that will be one of the key points to winning this. Getting lots of warscore like that. As long as they hold Tabaristan I'm at a disadvantage because it counts for -22 which seems vastly disproportionate to its worth.
Heh heh but the Ottomans keep coming eh? And it does suck that Tabaristan does have such high warscore.
My suggestion: Let that huge army advance further into your territory, ambush any reinforcements they Ottos send, wait for attrition to whittle 'em down, and then hit them when they're surrounded in enemy territory. But then, you've probably already got that idea, so my other suggestion is to describe the Khan's brilliant tactics when he does this in your next update
billy bob - They just keep coming
Specialist290 - Good advice there but I've played through now and I'll have the update up within 24 hours. I'm sure it won't be the last war with the Ottomans though
Specialist290 - Good advice there but I've played through now and I'll have the update up within 24 hours. I'm sure it won't be the last war with the Ottomans though
Even though you are playing a defensive war you still have some cavalry behind the enemy lines to loot right? Or are there simply too many ottomans everywhere? Just sending a small raiding force to Istanbul should get their attention though
A nice story you made up there and again a war against a overwhelming foe, I say don't fight battles go sieging
Mr Me - I've been looting when I can, Azerbaijan (COT) and it's neighbour Kurdistan (Gold) make very nice targets. However its difficult because they are literally always marching armies around from Istanbul to Tabaristan.
Iche_Bins - Thanks, yeah sieging is one way to go but little battles where you can overwhelm them are great for warscore.
The update will be along soon.
Iche_Bins - Thanks, yeah sieging is one way to go but little battles where you can overwhelm them are great for warscore.
The update will be along soon.
Yulbaris and his war council decided to put the tactics of the Reckep behind them and focus once again upon the traditional Horde way, cavalry. During the lull in the fighting as Yulbaris had withdrawn to Astrakhan the Ottomans has quickly made a break through the Horde's lines to try to retake Crimea. Yulbaris was having none of it. He and thirty thousand Tatar riders headed west. The battle came on the second to last day of January. The enemy had thirty four thousand men. It took over a week to kill all of them but at last it was done. The ground of Crimea would be fertile for a long time to come.
Yulbaris rests after fertilising Crimea
Still the Ottomans persisted in trying to take back Crimea. They sent many piecemeal armies into the Horde but all were hunted down and slaughtered by Yulbaris and his army. The war was beginning to swing to the Golden Horde's favour.
In the Ottoman territory
An effort to remove the Ottomans in the south reminded him the war was far from over.
In the south the Transylvanians held fast guarding Elbruz steadfastly making good use of the few passes in the inaccessible region. Repeated efforts by the Golden Horde failed to budge them.
Unbreakable Transylvanians
With that front in a stalemate it was time to open up another one. Azerbaijan was invaded in May of 1591. The western front continued to advance as Bujak was taken.
The invasion of Azerbaijan
But the invasion of the central front was to be short-lived. In one of the most humiliating battles of the war twenty six thousand Horde soldiers were beaten by only two thousand Transylvanians and forced to retreat. Yulbaris was so incensed by the incident he cut off the heads of the army leaders before he could even discover the reason for the loss. However there were rumours that the enemy had a blood drinking general which had spooked the Tatars possibly contributing to the defeat.
One soldiers depiction of the awful enemy general
Early into 1592 the army on the western front suffered a series of defeats that saw them pushed back onto home soil. Bujak was lost to the Ottomans again a few months later. However at last there was good news in the south. Perhaps the Transylvanians feared an invasion of their home. They pulled all their troops out of the Golden Horde's lands allowing the Horde to head in on a mission of liberation from tyrannical oppression.
Operation Enduring Freedom
On the central front the war continued to go well. Yulbaris was still engaged in hunting down and annihilating small Ottoman raiding parties. Kolkhis was regained in November and the army headed into Azerbaijan for a second attempt.
Peace was made at the beginning of 1593 for money. Ethiopia paid 98 ducats to the Golden Horde and Khorasan.
In March of 1593 the other war with the Ottomans was going strongly in favour of the Golden Horde. The Ottomans and Transylvanians controlled no Horde territory while the Horde controlled Khwarizam, Kara Kum and Crimea. An envoy was dispatched to Istanbul demanding those three provinces in exchange for peace. It was grudgingly accepted.
The world according to the Golden Horde, red lines indicate corrected borders
Very well done! I liked your annotated map, especially the misspelling of Fars. I see that peace has not increased the brotherly love with your fellow Moslems in Turkey.
I see that peace has not increased the brotherly love with your fellow Moslems in Turkey.
Well, well, things are looking up, nice GH borders
just two things - whats your stab costs like? and any chance of a religious map?
just two things - whats your stab costs like? and any chance of a religious map?
Lurken - Central Asia, Getting the Chagatai Khanate incorporated is a long term goal. Then who knows. India certainly is attractive.
jwolf - Thanks, I don't think anything is going to increase the love between the GH and the OE now.
billy bob - In time I'll get there.
The Real Deal - Thanks. Stab costs are surprisingly low, only around 900 or less than a year at full investment to improve. Its helped by the fact I have now very few wrong religion provinces. I'll include a religious map at the end of the next update.
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jwolf - Thanks, I don't think anything is going to increase the love between the GH and the OE now.
billy bob - In time I'll get there.
The Real Deal - Thanks. Stab costs are surprisingly low, only around 900 or less than a year at full investment to improve. Its helped by the fact I have now very few wrong religion provinces. I'll include a religious map at the end of the next update.
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Duke of Wellington said:Lurken - Central Asia, Getting the Chagatai Khanate incorporated is a long term goal. Then who knows. India certainly is attractive.
jwolf - Thanks, I don't think anything is going to increase the love between the GH and the OE now.
billy bob - In time I'll get there.
The Real Deal - Thanks. Stab costs are surprisingly low, only around 900 or less than a year at full investment to improve. Its helped by the fact I have now very few wrong religion provinces. I'll include a religious map at the end of the next update.
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Congrats on the post number. And I wanted it like Thanksgiving! A massive feast where you get too stuffed(bb wars).
Excellent work straightening out the borders with the Ottomans! Now, the other border that lacks aesthetic appeal these days is that one with Russia. However, I'm not sure how high having aesthetic borders is on the Horde's priority list...
Amazing what you have done with the Horde so far. You are comparable in size with what a "normal" Russia would be at this time, and all that without Orthodox tech, the extra cores and great leaders Russia gets. Bravo.
As for other matters, I must agree with my Scottish colleague: Russia looks ugly. And Ferghana is confusing. I would prefer you deal with them.
As for other matters, I must agree with my Scottish colleague: Russia looks ugly. And Ferghana is confusing. I would prefer you deal with them
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Just a few days out of town and when I return all the fun is over .
Nice job beating the Ottomans.
.Nice job beating the Ottomans.