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Duke of Wellington

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The Real Deal - Hehe it is cool :D. I'm planning to iron out the borders. Crimea, Khwarizm and Karakum are all Ottoman pockets within my territory so will be handy to remove, I hope.

Amric - The turks didn't control any territory. Its annoying the Papal States and OE flags are very similar. I think it will be a tricky war. They still have a CRT advantage over me. They always invade Tabaristan so I'll let them move in there while I try to exploit other weaknesses.

Talkingdonkey - Yeah they have really had it coming for quite a while. This will be revenge for all those stupid DOWs they made.
 

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Time to deal with those uppity Ottomans!
 

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Greetings, Khan of Wellington!

A while ago I started reading this AAR and was very impressed by your efforts and entertained by your writing. But it was not until today that I finally found the time to read all of it. You probably have received enough compliments for this excellent AAR, so I will cut it short, since it don't want to distract you from invading the Ottoman Empire, beheading their warriors and deflorating their virgins. :D
 

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beheading their warriors and deflorating their virgins.

Surely the Horde will be generous enough to share their virgins with us :D.


What is your LT level, and what is the ottoman LT level? I hope you are advanced enough to have firearms or you will really need the terrain advantages. Also, you're big, so try throwing lots of cannon fodder (assuming your slider is set to quantity) to the fight. You have lots of manpower and cheap soldiers, so they are really easy to replace. They may have superiorly trained soldiers, but you have much more warriors able to fight :).
 

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Hopefully Yulbaris translates good diplomacy to good wars.
 

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Farquharson - Oh they will.

stnylan - At last :)

General Guisan - Will do

Walter Model - I'll have one in the next couple of updates.

HistoriK - Glad to have you along :)

rsobota - Lt 10 for me,they have 16. My slider is more towards quantity than quality but I hope it isn't too much of a detriment. In past experiences in this game the cannon fodder technique hasn't worked well.

billy bob - I believe he will.
 

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rsobota - Lt 10 for me,they have 16. My slider is more towards quantity than quality but I hope it isn't too much of a detriment. In past experiences in this game the cannon fodder technique hasn't worked well.

Sad, but still you can overwhelm a better trained enemy with sheer numbers in a battle. I once had this experience, when the slider was set to quality and I was making an overseas campaign against Bengal. I was able to rout their armies, yet they were about three or two times bigger than me and almost destroyed all my forces. Keep attacking and replenishing your casualties until they are reduced to nothing; also, try going offensive doctrine. This way you can get a shock bonus that combined with double cavalry in plains can cause massive casualties among the ottomans.
 

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Yulbaris : Part 3
The Ottomans had prepared for this war too and their invasion came quickly. Thirty thousand angry Turks crossed the border into Tabaristan. Another twenty thousand poured out of the Caucasus and into the province of Volgograd. They thought they had broken the frontlines of the Golden Horde with speed. They couldn't have been proved more wrong. On the plains near the old capital they ran headlong into Yulbaris and twenty six thousand Tatar horsemen. It was like a battle of old and the outcome was truly worthy of Ulugh the Great himself. Not that the Turks in Istanbul would ever hear of for every single one of the invaders was trampled, cut and generally slaughtered in the good old fashioned Golden Horde way.

With the stunning victory under his belt Yulbaris continued his march on into ex-vassal Shirvan who had unwisely left their capital virtually unguarded in favour of an invasion of Kolkhis.
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Yulbaris sieges while the Shirvanese scurry back only to suffer another defeat​

Further west the war was progressing finely. Bujak was being marched on whilst Crimea was close to falling.
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War in the west​

All was not quite so rosy on the southern front. There the Ottomans and her ally Transylvania kept pouring more and more troops into the siege of Tabaristan whilst the Horde's armies could do nothing but watch.
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Big numbers of invaders and thankfully big numbers of attrition

Shortly into 1588. The Golden Horde suffered her first loss. The army in Bujak was defeated by a much smaller Ottoman force. However the news was offset by the positive outcome of the siege of Crimea as the last bastion of Bakchi-Sarai was taken by Horde footsoldiers.

Yulbaris succeeded in Daghestan. The entire state of Shirvan was in his control. A peace was reached with the little sultanate whereby she paid 75 ducats in reparations to the Horde and for the third time in her existence submitted to the Golden Horde as a vassal. Yulbaris was determined that it should be the last.

After this victory good news became scarcer and scarcer for the Khan. Tabaristan, the highly valuable province was lost in April.
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Tabaristan is lost

On the western front Jedisan was invaded and on the central front Kolkhis (Georgia) was laid siege by a considerable Ottoman force that, like cockroaches resisted repeated attempts at extermination.

Elbruz was laid siege by a force of eighteen thousand Transylvanians. Their siege succeeded in capturing the province early into 1589 and only a month later Kolkhis was captured.

The war was going badly. Golden Horde armies were regularly losing to the enemy. Twenty thousand cavalry attempted to lift the siege of Jedisan that was being conducted by only five thousand Ottomans. The attack was a disaster as the Ottomans used an innovative technique of leaving a dummy siege about the walls of the city. As the Horde's army approached, the Ottomans ambushed from behind and quickly repelled the Tatars.

As Jedisan was lost at the end of the year Yulbaris withdrew to Astrakhan to analyse the war and find a tactic to turn the tide.
 

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I'd try to put as many provinces of them under siege as you can. If they attack, withdraw. Just make sure you are constantly besieging and capturing more provinces then they. They will probably keep doing what they did to Tabaristan: pour all their men into one or two provinces, so you can "outsiege" them.
 

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Those Ottomans have to be suffering from at least some attrition in Tabaristan. The more the merrier I say. Wear them down.
 

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When I left, The Golden Horde was a backwater nation, with annoying rebellions, sinister assasinations and bloody wars.

And now, it...

It's...

Well, is no changes neccesarly bad?
 

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I loved the Ethiopian DOW. Just when you think you've seen it all. :p

As for the Ottoman war, at least it's defensive so only 1 BB per province. :D So far, not bad, I wouldn't lose hope. Shirvan down, 2 enemies to go. I would send an army to Transylvania's capital. You don't have to capture it; usually just a threat on a little nation's capital is enough to make them talk business at the peace table. (I would say "talk turkey" which is more appropriate for this war but I don't know if that colloquialism is well known outside the US.)

Once you are one on one against the Turks you should be able to beat them. Their land tech advantage is pretty good but you can cream them on the plains or in defensive war in mountain provinces. In my experience the AI can be outmaneuvered if you have a large war on a broad front, as in your case from the Balkans to Persia. I had more trouble in my Khazak game against the Russians because the wars were focused on a narrow front (Astrakhan-Orenburg) and there the enemy could use their superior tech and manpower to good advantage. But, at least once you get the Transylvanians out of the war, you should be able to overcome the Turks. You should have as deep a manpower pool, and I daresay they tend to have as many revolt problems as you do. :D

And if by evil chance the war turns out badly, just blame it all on Yulbaris! :p
 

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Draw them in further. Make them spread out and then crush each individual army.