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Frungy78

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I tried great khan in 1.7, but gave up due to the boredom of breaking Ming into millions of pieces.

So for 1.8, I am reforming and westernizing, so I can just protectorate it in 1 war.

I started by vassalizing Crimea on day 1 (tribal feud gives like, 10 AE max). They never allied Ottomans.
I then vassalize Ryazan and Circassia. I probably should have left Circassia alone, since I didn't integrate them until much later (not accepted and wrong religion).
I ally Ottomans (probably was unnecessary, they never helped me anyway).
I vassalize Kazan (Nogai took a few provinces earlier so they were small enough).

Meanwhile Muscovy ate Novgorod in 2 wars.

I take admin ideas first to reform. Meanwhile I annex Crimea, Kazan, and eat the rest of Nogai, while releasing Sibir and Khazak, vassalize them, and eat them too. Basically integrate all Tatar-related and Sunni areas to minimize revolts. Then I westernize.

Man, do I miss the tribal conquest CB... having to fabricate claims and get lots more AE is not appealing. But now I at least get better units.

I attack Muscovy and feed stuff to Ryazan, and take a Novgorod core and release it as a new vassal. I take humanism for my 2nd idea, and start integrating Circassia.

I attack Lithuania, who is still in a PU under Poland while they are busy fighting off Austria. Ottomans help me here at least. Takes forever to get any warscore with a conquest CB, but I take Poldava and release Chernigov. Poland forms Commonwealth... this won't be easy.

So now I can feed and reform Novgorod, and Muscovy is as good as dead. I can feed Chernigov most of my achievement objectives. I might even just take a Lithuanian province and release Lithuania. I really need a new CB for taking asia though... should I go expansion or religious? Should I bother with exploration to colonize Siberia? Having 3 admin ideas in a row is really painful... been on admin focus from day 1. I'm highly considering dropping administrative ideas altogether, getting some refund, and taking expansion over it.
 

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My question would be; Why westernize? Why Reform the Government? If your goal is to conquer as much land as possible to get the achievement, you'd be much better staying at Nomad tech (probably taking on Orthodox area first in order to not fall behind in tech) and maybe puting National Focus into Military points, to keep up Military tech parity. As long as you don't plan on taking on the powerful western nations (France, Sweden etc.) Reforming the Government and/or Westernizing is in my opinion pointless.
 

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My question would be; Why westernize? Why Reform the Government? If your goal is to conquer as much land as possible to get the achievement, you'd be much better staying at Nomad tech (probably taking on Orthodox area first in order to not fall behind in tech) and maybe puting National Focus into Military points, to keep up Military tech parity. As long as you don't plan on taking on the powerful western nations (France, Sweden etc.) Reforming the Government and/or Westernizing is in my opinion pointless.

I would agree with you, except for the utter, sheer, complete and total boredom that is Ming. Trying to vassal feed Shun, Xi and... Zhang? The other one, in wars with Ming takes about 5-10 wars and about 150 years of just constant stomping them.

Reforming means you can protectorate them in one war :D
 

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I would agree with you, except for the utter, sheer, complete and total boredom that is Ming. Trying to vassal feed Shun, Xi and... Zhang? The other one, in wars with Ming takes about 5-10 wars and about 150 years of just constant stomping them.

Reforming means you can protectorate them in one war :D

Pretty much this. Also wanted the westernize-as-horde achievement, and you can no longer build other-tech units in foreign cores. Good luck trying to take on Lithuania or Sweden with your original horde units... unless you do it super early.