God mode in Multi-Play

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And nobody should because this might encourage copy-cats.

Andrew

I disagree... We are in the information age and hiding the facts does no good..

People should know about this, so they know what to expect... and the more people know, the more likely somebody will find a way either to block this or at least to spot that it is being used....Hackers are not all on the wrong side of the fence.

Take the slider cheat... While it was kept hush=hush, people thought they could use it with impunity AND deny the fact that they were using it.. Once we found out how to track it we were able to minimize its use and kick cheaters out of games early instead of wasting dozens of hours of game time before finding out somebody has been cheating.

I say come out with the full Monty....

 

[jgbaxter]

*starts playing music for Tomar*

I believe in miracles
Where you from
You sexy thing
I believe in miracles
Since you came along
You sexy thing

Miracles right before my eyes
You sexy thing got me hypnotised
Don't stop what ya' doing
What ya' doing to me
My angel from above lying next to me
How did ya' know that I'd be the one
Been a long time coming only just begun
Doing all the things that makes my heart sing
Keep doing what you're doing you sexy thing

How did ya' know I needed you so badly
How did ya' know I gave my heart gladly
Yesterday I was one of a lonely people
Now you're lying next to me
Making love to me

I believe in miracles
Where you from
You sexy thing
You sexy thing
I believe in miracles
Since you came along
You sexy thing

Only yesterday I was on my own
Just another day later my mind was blown
You sexy thing come into my life
Forever and a day it feels so right
How did ya' know that I'd be the one
Been a long time coming only just begun
Doing all the things that makes my heart sing
Keep doing what you're doing you sexy thing

How did ya' know I needed you so badly
How did ya' know I gave my heart gladly
Yesterday I was one of a lonely people
Now you're lying next to me
Making love to me

I believe in miracles
Where you from
You sexy thing
You sexy thing
I believe in miracles
Since you came along
You sexy thing

Kiss me baby
You sexy thing
You sexy thing

Touch me baby
You sexy thing
You sexy thing

Kiss me baby
You sexy thing
You sexy thing

Touch me baby
You sexy thing
You sexy thing

Kiss me baby
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All lyrics are property and copyright of their owners.
All lyrics provided for educational purposes only.



:rofl:

 

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[jgbaxter]

Hey he started talking about the Full Monty, need music for that sort of thing. :rofl:

 

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And nobody should because this might encourage copy-cats.

Andrew

What Tomar said.

At least someone please send me a pm.

 

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I second this.

Knowing what this is could potentially solve alot of problems.

Knowing the exact details of the slider exploit would have solved many wasted hours for my group.

A PM would be appreciated.

 

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Involves editing of your own save file to allow you to enable cheats.

 

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Involves editing of your own save file to allow you to enable cheats.

So it can be only done by host?

Well, then its just another, albeit quite interesting, way host can cheat. And not the most secure-there are better ways to do that, if you are a host, ones that cannot be discovered at all.

But hosts aren't anonymous, are they? I mean, you broadcast your ip...

 

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It can be done by anyone in a MP game.

 

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Such half tales are ridiculous, guys. We need to know at least how you can recognise the cheat (as jgbaxter says). Never mind how the cheat is carried out - I just want to know when to press the alarmbutton.

 

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When you see battles that should be won lost i.e troops retreating when they should not have.

And it will be pretty obvious that they should not have.

 

[Soapy Frog]

Ok, I think I have seen this "god mode" in action.

Last night, 3 of us got together to play our ongoing HoI game, on a LAN. The game is running under 1.05c, mind you. German player (me) was serving

During the game we noticed something suspicious. The Russians lost several battles in a row, i.e. their troops retreated, despite the fact that their org was still high (like 6 units breaking when 3 of them had org above 50 and the other 3 had 10-15).

So we started paying more attention and we saw ALL kinds of strangeness... russian bombers would bomb a stack and show the german units at completely different org levels as to what the german was seeing.

Units fighting would show completely different efficiencies on the client as on the server, as well. The more we looked the more discrepencies we saw... battles would show the leaders reversed (german leader fighting for the soviets and vice versa) amongst other things. And nevermind the weather, which was completely out to lunch.

SO to recap: I have seen units lose battles they should have won, or at least that they should have held out much longer, and it wasnt becuase anyone was cheating. Is this what you are seeing or is it something even more dramatic?

 

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SO to recap: I have seen units lose battles they should have won, or at least that they should have held out much longer, and it wasnt becuase anyone was cheating. Is this what you are seeing or is it something even more dramatic?

Thats exactly what i suspected, that it wasn't cheating but just some weird hapennings-because what people described here is, AFAIK, impossible (especially cheating by editing savegame NOT by host, lol).

Which could lead to false accusations.

 

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Thats exactly what i suspected, that it wasn't cheating but just some weird hapennings-because what people described here is, AFAIK, impossible (especially cheating by editing savegame NOT by host, lol).

Which could lead to false accusations.

yea sometime the server/host sees different than the other players... can potentially be very frustrating (like the day/night bug)

F

 

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yea sometime the server/host sees different than the other players... can potentially be very frustrating (like the day/night bug)

F

And the effiecency of units is sometimes different-for example, not everyone sees "surprise" effiecency bonus (i'm not sure if its host or someone else)

 

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yea thats correct - I as host always saw if I was suprised however the enemy did not. Probably a lag bug...

F

 

[Soapy Frog]

So is that what this is all about? Host/Client discrepencies?

No more witch hunt? Or is the orginal poster talking about something else?

 

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So is that what this is all about? Host/Client discrepencies?
No more witch hunt? Or is the orginal poster talking about something else?

No, there is a bug here which Johan acknowledges.

Andrew

 

[Soapy Frog]

Then what am I really looking for if I am to detect this cheat?

I have seen units lose battles when it's quite clear they shouldnt have, and I know there was no cheating involved... so... what the heck? Need more info...

 

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See the 1.06b patch which Johan has just announced. This includes

Made sure cheats are reset properly when starting a game, this eliminated the major cheat in MP.

Andrew