God Kings

[unmerged(65679)]

I've noticed today my game has updated to 1.5.1 and the GP thing seems to be well under control. I do however notice that there are an increasing amount of "God Kings" whereas in previous patches I think it had been toned down quite a lot?

Now I'm seeing 6,5,6 or 6,5,5 5,6,4 very frequently with the GPowers. Is it just my game or the time period? 1600's

In other patches the 1.4's i'd seen that GP's no longer seemed to spawn god kings with regularity and that was a DAMN GOOD THING.

So just my game or have things changed a bit because God Kings are a blight on the game IMHO.

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

Do you have lucky nations on?

 

[aitaituo]

It's lucky nations that get an effective +1 to all monarch stats and, naturally, great powers tend to be the lucky nations. They don't always get amazing rulers, so I'm sure this is natural variance.

 

[pontis]

I've had a fair few 6xx rulers throughout my time on EUIV. I wouldn't say it's more noticeable these days. Maybe you've just been unlucky.

 

[Colossal_Elk]

TURN OFF LUCKY NATIONS


I know a lot of people don't like to but it makes the game way less predictable. You'll see things like Morocco not getting eaten by Portugal in 20 years after the game start. Or Scotland lasting for a century or more. Or Muscovy attempting to invade Novgorod, only to get wrecked by a Peasants' War. Castile and France kicking each others butts so much that neither has any money to colonize.

Oh yeah, and you don't lose to armies when you have a 2-to-1 advantage.

 

[unmerged(65679)]

I play Ironman so I cannot. I'm just saying in other prior 1.5.1 iterations I didn't see God Kings that often but now I'm seeing it quite a lot.
Also can somebody explain to me the pictures below because I get certain things fairly well about EU4 but not all. Russia is MIL TECH 16 and Eastern. There are no new units between 12-18 so them being 16 is just better shock, fire etc. My vassal (about to be annexed) is Ottomans and they have MIL TECH 14.

As can be seen both sides have military drill etc. Anyways this is literrally the *first* day of battle. How does morale get so stack wiped?
Also why do some generals (even good ones) not have their SHOCK or FIRE activated during the battle? (have seen it many times). My general who is shock 4 fire 5 just joined the battle and assumed leadership. I won by weight of numbers but I only rolled dices I never rolled shock or fire and I've seen that happen mannnyy times over different games.

 

[Hootieleece]

If your shock or fire value is less than the opposing General or Admiral. It just nullifies the greater value and reduces the bonus derived from it. A 6 shock general fighting a 4 shock general will only get +2 to die rolls not the whole +6.

 

[TyrannisUmbra]

I play Ironman so I cannot. I'm just saying in other prior 1.5.1 iterations I didn't see God Kings that often but now I'm seeing it quite a lot.
Also can somebody explain to me the pictures below because I get certain things fairly well about EU4 but not all. Russia is MIL TECH 16 and Eastern. There are no new units between 12-18 so them being 16 is just better shock, fire etc. My vassal (about to be annexed) is Ottomans and they have MIL TECH 14.

As can be seen both sides have military drill etc. Anyways this is literrally the *first* day of battle. How does morale get so stack wiped?
Also why do some generals (even good ones) not have their SHOCK or FIRE activated during the battle? (have seen it many times). My general who is shock 4 fire 5 just joined the battle and assumed leadership. I won by weight of numbers but I only rolled dices I never rolled shock or fire and I've seen that happen mannnyy times over different games.

Your vassal is getting wiped because he has less tactics, and because he has way less morale due to Russia having high army tradition and high prestige.

When two generals battle each other, only the better one for that phase gets a bonus. The bonus is equal to his Fire/Shock minus the opponent's Fire/Shock. So if I have a 6/3 general and you have a 3/5 general, then in the Fire phase, I would get a +3 to my rolls, and in the shock phase you would get a +2.

 

[unmerged(65679)]

As controller of this battle shouldn't it be *my* prestige that matters? I was having a closer look at this next one and it says -4.9% or whatever for prestige. My prestige is 66...
Lithuania's however is -22 and they are in this battle although I lead it.
Russia feels.......difficult to match. Extremely. I've read a lot of posts about how people say Westernizing isn't necessary if you're a big Eastern but damn seriously Russia is invincible despite being Eastern.
Im still Eastern but thinking strongly about Westernizing.

 

[unmerged(65679)]

On the plus side however my Discipline is absolutely wiping their units. Just i can't stay in the battle long enough :-(

 

[Hootieleece]

Need to up your Military Tech Level.......Russia has more morale and a tactics advantage on you. It is probably why they have almost twice the morale! Check out what type of units they are using. (by mousing over the unit counters on the Battle map)

From Everything I see your lucky not to get stack wiped.

 

[Gatkramp]

Reduce war exhaustion frequently, it maintains a higher morale for your army, and I'm pretty sure even affects the morale of units already in battle. It does take some of your monarch points, but it is worth it to win battles.

 

[unmerged(65679)]

Russia has about 2 mil techs infront of literally everybody on the planet at any given time (hence Russia is OP in this game) but Russia is eastern. They don't get their next significant unit upgrade until level 18 and they aren't on that. they are on 16 and I'm on 14.
They shouldn't have that gigantic a morale situation. I mean yes granted 25% from the mil morale idea but these battles start with like russian 100% morale (the rest) 25%

 

[Hootieleece]

Some of the Mil Techs in between unit upgrades, upgrade Morale and sometimes modify shock or Fire values. It is All about morale. And I think that they are at a point where they got a +1 to morale and with their bonuses it explodes into 100% better morale for them. Also don't underestimate Military Tactics that makes them take less casualties....that is offset by discipline somewhat. Right now you can't win an even battle with them. You probably need to outnumber them 2-3 to 1 and catch them leaderless. (Leaderless units are apt to get stackwiped)

The morale bars are set to the highest rating available in this case Russia's 6.9. Your 3.8 is 60% of that. That is why Russia seems to start with more morale than your troops.

 

[Shadowless]

It's a 25% +1 morale at landtech 15, for all we know the Turks didn't have 100% maintenance, they were still rebuilding their morale from a previous battle etc. Honestly I think you should consider yourself lucky since the Russians didn't bring any artillery that would be vastly better than your own. Another thing to note is the fact it isn't all Turkish fighting on your side at the start, those other nations groups may bring the morale bar down quite a bit (not the Turkish morale itself just where the morale bar sits for some reason) If you want to see what the actual morale of the individual units are at the start of a battle hover over it and see if it doesn't make sense that way.

 

[unmerged(65679)]

Well it was Me+Lithuania+Ottomans+Georgia. I was hitting them hard with my Byz discipline 125% and killed off roughly 40,000 troops i'd estimate. But provinces were downing like flies and I just couldn't engineer a draw here. Suggested Peace'd out for 51 warscore.

Trying to bring Sweden into the fold now but for whatever reason the Swedes don't rival Russia. I however am Rivaled by a great many nations (just annexed off Ottomans so re-establish the Theme System just hit for me)

 

[FloatingOrb]

My experience with this is only in the hordes. I have been playing a lot of Ironman horde games, and they get simply divine dynasties. My mughals game conquered all of asia simply because I always had a leader whose score added to about 15 or thereabouts, never lower. Well, it started with a 0 legitamacy 2/1/2 leader, but with a 5/6/6 heir so I stuck with it.

 

[TyrannisUmbra]

I will also reiterate: Army tradition. There's a reason why people say to get Defensive + Innovative. It helps keep your army tradition high. In real world terms, your Byzantine army is green, untested, unbloodied. Whereas the Russian troops are mostly combat veterans with vast amounts of experience.

The most ignored yet extremely important factors on success of a battle:
Generals, Army tradition, prestige, picking the right general for your tech and unit composition.

The first three are self-explanitory, but the fourth is less so. The idea is, when you start getting strong artillery and your infantry is no longer terrible at the fire phase, you want to prioritize using Fire generals over Shock. This will make you much more likely to inflict heavier casualties in the first phase of combat, thus snowballing heavier into a victory. If the difference is stark enough, you can stackwipe 50k+ in the first phase, if you're lucky enough. We're talking the possibility of dealing 5000-10,000 per day if the difference is big enough.

The less ignored but still important factors: Tactics. The best military stat in the game, and only increased by tech. It reduces the damage your armies take by a pretty high margin. Morale. It's no longer a 'useless' stat, and actually helps determine victory or defeat again. Make sure your army has a full complement of artillery. Artillery can attack from the back row for 1/2 strength, and apply 1/2 their defense to the units standing in front of them. If you don't have artillery, your infantry takes more damage.

 

[Thund91]

I play Ironman so I cannot. I'm just saying in other prior 1.5.1 iterations I didn't see God Kings that often but now I'm seeing it quite a lot.
Also can somebody explain to me the pictures below because I get certain things fairly well about EU4 but not all. Russia is MIL TECH 16 and Eastern. There are no new units between 12-18 so them being 16 is just better shock, fire etc. My vassal (about to be annexed) is Ottomans and they have MIL TECH 14.

As can be seen both sides have military drill etc. Anyways this is literrally the *first* day of battle. How does morale get so stack wiped?
Also why do some generals (even good ones) not have their SHOCK or FIRE activated during the battle? (have seen it many times). My general who is shock 4 fire 5 just joined the battle and assumed leadership. I won by weight of numbers but I only rolled dices I never rolled shock or fire and I've seen that happen mannnyy times over different games.

Ya I get this a lot too. A battle starts and the enemy's morale is full while mine starts at almost half. Needless to say I lose that battle and then it snowballs from there.

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

Ya I get this a lot too. A battle starts and the enemy's morale is full while mine starts at almost half. Needless to say I lose that battle and then it snowballs from there.

Morale bars are relative, so the full bar is 100% of whichever side has the most morale.

It even says so in the tooltip