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First of all, yes debating with Delex is like talking to a wall, that is a fact. So I don't care what he can make up for his reasons to ally with those countries, but they are RoC cores and I want 'em.

We agreed that China would stay out of the World War till -43, but it is unclear to me, does this include dowing CHC, Mongolia or Tannu Tuva? I mean there was this idea that China would dow, say CHC and annex it. It could also invade Mongolia and Tannu Tuva, but not invade or bomb the USSR. But if the Soviets invade China, then it has escalated into a full scale war. Basically this is like the colonial war in Vicky. You can fight for the puppets with your troops, but the countries themselves stay untouched.

If I were USSR, I wouldn't leave a hostile China on my back for a few cores and 10 IC, it just isn't worth it. China can ally with the Axis or with the Allies, in ww2 or ww3. And it really ties down the troops and makes Siberia a real front for the Soviets.

But since I'm not USSR, it's Delex's call. He knows the consequences by keeping my cores and if he continues this way, the conflict is eventual. My policy may be aggressive, but I'm not going to be another Qing Empire humiliated by the Western Powers.


Oh and yes, we are really trying to avoid modding in this game. You might have noticed the AH and Super China from our last game, and that huge modding starts from something as small as modding 200 MP to liberated France. So no, there won't be the slightest modding here to keep the game nice and Vanilla-like.

 

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First of all, yes debating with Delex is like talking to a wall, that is a fact. So I don't care what he can make up for his reasons to ally with those countries, but they are ROC cores and I want 'em.

We agreed that China would stay out of the World War till -43, but it is unclear to me, does this include dowing CHC, Mongolia or Tannu Tuva? I mean there was this idea that China would dow, say CHC and annex it. It could also invade Mongolia and Tannu Tuva, but not invade or bomb the USSR. But if the Soviets invade China, then it has escalated into a full scale war. Basically this is like the colonial war in Vicky. You can fight for the puppets with your troops, but the countries themselves stay untouched.

If I were USSR, I wouldn't leave a hostile China on my back for a few cores and 10 IC, it just isn't worth it. China can ally with the Axis or with the Allies, in ww2 or ww3. And it really ties down the troops and makes Siberia a real front for the Soviets.

But since I'm not USSR, it's Delex's call. He knows the consequences by keeping my cores and if he continues this way, the conflict is eventual. My policy may be aggressive, but I'm not going to be another Qing Empire humiliated by the Western Powers.


Oh and yes, we are really trying to avoid modding in this game. You might have noticed the AH and Super China from our last game, and that huge modding starts from something as small as modding 200 MP to liberated France. So no, there won't be the slightest modding here to keep the game nice and Vanilla-like.

Yes, Im a steel wall , which actually does some research before starting a discussion (Many here just say the first thing they heared somewhere).

About the agreement. We agreed, that China will NAP USSR till 1944 (Or was it 43? Check the game log Strom to find out) and that China wont attack any of the Soviet allies. You can join alliances and wage war even before that.

If you do attack me, even if you take Mongolia, I will inflict you massive losses, even if your allies help you, whoever that may be. I would be ready for another agreement, which doesn't include Mongolia becoming a part of China. I really don't like any back stab wars, but If you do have to do it then do it. The Soviet union is making agreements with China on fair terms and we have never humiliated china. A humiliating treaty for you would be if, i demanded the Mongolian claims from you and you would be forced to accept without anything in return.

Could you atleast mod Japan's belligerence? And somehow remake the alliance between Sinkiang and japan? Since it was a really unpredictable situation with the Dow's and the alliance would still exist if this wouldn't happen (And japan could also stab you in the back with the war which happed, since it was not against the rules, alltroguh you had a nap).

 

[juspedude]

But ur problem is u think that the wikipedia, where u search ur information, is the ultimate and final source of information, and u dont want to accept that someone other has better, more reliable, and more accurate sources. So, "open ur mind" :F Let's not be so conservative, liberalism is trendy.

 

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About the agreement. We agreed, that China will NAP USSR till 1944 (Or was it 43? Check the game log Strom to find out) and that China wont attack any of the Soviet allies. You can join alliances and wage war even before that.

Well the NA pact is an NA pact. If I happen to join the Axis or Allies and UK/GER wants to dow you, I can't stop them nor leave the alliances.

In the last session we agreed that in order to keep the balance in the game, China won't join the World War until -43. We didn't talk much about the details, but that was the idea.

If you do attack me, even if you take Mongolia, I will inflict you massive losses, even if your allies help you, whoever that may be.

Suure you will! But let's see that on the battlefield, eh?

I would be ready for another agreement, which doesn't include Mongolia becoming a part of China. I really don't like any back stab wars, but If you do have to do it then do it.

I see no reason doing agreements with you just get CHC. I see that as blackmail, demanding agreements to allow me to eliminate rebels within my own country. If there is any deal, it has to include CHC, Mongolia and possibly Tannu Tuva. They are no use to your country and my aid would benefit you way more. Without at least CHC and Mongolia, there can be no negotiations and yes, a backstab in time would be a possibility.

The Soviet union is making agreements with China on fair terms and we have never humiliated china. A humiliating treaty for you would be if, i demanded the Mongolian claims from you and you would be forced to accept without anything in return.

Russia humiliated us buy taking our colonies in Kazakstan, Ocha and the Vladivostock area, whatever it is called. Also they have taken Tannu Tuva, Mongolia and even Manchuria (althrough lost it to the Japanese). You might say that you aren't the Tsarist Russia, but the fair USSR. In that case it would be your duty to return these unlawfully taken areas to China.

Could you atleast mod Japan's belligerence? And somehow remake the alliance between Sinkiang and japan? Since it was a really unpredictable situation with the Dow's and the alliance would still exist if this wouldn't happen (And japan could also stab you in the back with the war which happed, since it was not against the rules, alltroguh you had a nap).

No modding at all. Sinkiang and Tibet were supposed to be neutral and Japan is forbitten from allying Chinese warlords. But still Hatuke allied Sinkiang all the sudden. Also there is the lack of belligerence events for the slaugter in China (like there was no Nanking, but still millions died in Northern China.) So I don't see a heavy reason to mod it. He can stab me in the back and btw we have no NAP, because I refused it. If you are referring to our peace, he can't break it, because it would be against the rules and he could only dow RoC, because I'm not allied to anyone.

 

[hebelecan]

Well the NA pact is an NA pact. If I happen to join the Axis or Allies and ITALY/GER wants to dow you, I can't stop them nor leave the alliances.

Fixed.

 

[Krediax]

About the agreement. We agreed, that China will NAP USSR till 1944 (Or was it 43? Check the game log Strom to find out) and that China wont attack any of the Soviet allies. You can join alliances and wage war even before that.

So Storm can JOIN the axis alliance, make a seperate peace with the allies and just wait for them to DOW you. like you said, he can join alliances.

 

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Storm501-
1.)I have already asked you about that situation (Since I could have done the same as you already 2 times). You strongly opposed it and forbidden it, so why should the same thing apply for you. You can join the Axis but till the year 1943 isn't reached the territories of my allies or mine are off limits to you. Cause if you start to brake such stuff I pretty much wont wait to Dow anyone, I will just do it. So as Japan you cant Dow me for the next years (Or we can be at war if you join the axis, but you cant attack me directly).

3.)Tanu Tuva will become a part of my nation in the later game and its not your claim. So its much of a use to me. Mongolia is a communist nation which comes to be my ally and supply's me with troops. I would be willing to abandon CHC, but it would cost you.

4.)USSR isn't Russia as you already noted. What the last government has done to you is none of our concern. You got no claims on our nation and no to very little Han Chinese live in our nation. Mongolia and Tanu Tuva have declared Independence from china by itself. The czarist Russia/nor USSR had nothing to do with it. The only thing we did against you is to support the Chinese Communists (As I already noted, they are the only factor, im ready to barging about).

5.)If you do join the Axis, you also automatically take over japans role in the second world war, you should automatically be obliged to fulfill its strategical objectives before attacking me (You currently heavily profit for the lack of rules for china since the game is anticipating a long war between japan and china or a defeat of china (Victory of china is allso included but somewhere after 1942). If this is not somehow replaced, I will have to start to break the rules of the USSR to balance the things out).

hebelecan-Actually he meant UK. He can join either alliance (But even if he joins a separate war on your side versus me, you will still need much luck and heavy help from china in order to win-versus the allies that is).

Krediax-Already answered.

 

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[coz1]

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USSR and the Republic of China might be reaching an agreement over Mongolia and CHC soon, but it isn't certain yet.

China is still thankful for the Allied aid during the long war with Japan. We are also glad that countries like the US have supported our rightful claims thus far.

Germany on the other hand is not favoured by Chiang. When the fighting was fiercest, you recalled Von Falkenhausen from the thick of the fight and recognized Manchuria that undoubtely belongs to China. Also without the skill of Von Falkenhausen our revolutionary doctrine research was slowed down a lot.

China respects her peace with Japan, but as long as Japan keeps Manchuria, our relations can't be normal. We urge Japan to give up Manchuria, just like USSR did the right thing just now. China can support you with resources and we can be friends. Then there are the Ryukyu islands and Sakhalin island you seized from us. Japanese tyranny over Korea and Indo-China is condemned by the Republic as well.

And last, but not least China thanks Argentina for the support. China believes that the people of La Plata should be unified under one banner.



Ok, I seriously don't want a good AAR like this closed, so post only stuff related to the AAR and use stuff from the AAR as arguments. The game isn't really historical anymore, so historical arguments aren't much good. Keep the debate shorter and more diplomatic-like to fit to the AAR better. Thanks.

 

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Updates coming soon!

 

[Beladriel]

It was lame. It was boring. It was lol.

This game's offically over, wait for next week.

Dunno if Storm or some others will make updates, tho.

 

[Tommy4ever]

It was lame. It was boring. It was lol.

This game's offically over, wait for next week.

Dunno if Storm or some others will make updates, tho.

What happened?

 

[Beladriel]

Cawx got pwnt. After that, Delex got pwnt. After that DvD got pwnt. After that DvD quit.

Oh, and we couldn't even advance a year.

And Argentina did get Uruguay. Nothing else.

 

[KevinG]

3 players getting owned simultaneously and playing 2 and a half months in 6+ hours. Although it was kind of funny to a UK army of 70 divisions in Spain/France kill over 150 axis divisions in a two months.

 

[midget_roxx]

Now i definetely want unpdates

 

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3 players getting owned simultaneously and playing 2 and a half months in 6+ hours. Although it was kind of funny to a UK army of 70 divisions in Spain/France kill over 150 axis divisions in a two months.

We had about 90 divs. We had armor and it was fast and lots of it too.
And most importantly we had airsuperiority during our hole trip in Europe.

 

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The Brave Canadian Update​

The Canadians whit the British mitallery leaders decided to invade Spain when Axis attacks the Su because it had bad protection of its flanks.
USA was not happy about this plan and denied all help from the Canadians if they would proceed whit the plan.

Canada´s army practesing Ambisious Assaults in Greenland that was occupied by Germany.

Operetion in Spain had begun. British and Canadian troops were assulting Valencia.

British tanks managed to encircle 300 000 Men from the Spain army.
Soon they were destroyed.

Canadians decided to land in Barcelona whit the British acceptence of this plan.

Spain has almost fallen.

Because the Axis have Stacked a lot of divisions in the mountains near Bilbao British decided to land in Brest that was only protected by one division.

Soon France started to fall too. Canadians landed in Caen to help the Brits. Rest of Canadian troops were in Spain.

I dont have pics of the later session but i hope it went good for the Allies.^^

 

[Enewald]

Oh crap, axis got screwed badly...more!!!

 

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The brave stand against superior odds, a story of lag erros and heroism​

The war started with the Besarabia event. I was dowed by Romania. USA entry was put 6 months forward (I actually didn't know up to the third session that Germany can DOW me before the actual event. Ive read the rules but i tough that breaking the pact means, that Germany doesn't need to accept M-R or they don't need to honor the event. Well kicked my ass).



The air battle which crippled the most of the red airforce. After this, the red airforce dint regain its org and strength till the end of the session.



First major battle vs the Germans.



Romania being a bit too self confident. The soviets would be defeated in some months, but with only with the arrival of Rommel and the German tanks.



The German advance on the Northern flak was stalled till August.



Alltroguh the terrain was tough, the Germans continue with a steady advance in the center.



The battle for Minsk, the Red army makes a stand and wins the battle.



Zhukov to the RESQU. Zhukov held the province so the soldiers from Kiev and Vsyhgord could retreat. One of the last successful retreats.



The German army encircled, but the attack on the stack had to be canceled cause of some movement bug (Which would later also became apparent in the Soviet army when it came from the retreat from Smolensk). We had to rehost because of it and the save was edited.



A naval battle between the Italian navy and the soviets. The IL duce was sunk .



Rommel brakes the southern front.



Im OK if im defeated by the Germans, but the USSR shall never be defeated by the Italians!



In the middle of the August the situation tarted to look very grim. Very little of our army was lots to encirclements. Most of our army started to retreat into provinces where the Germans occupied them or the Germans simply bypassed the retreating armies and have occupied them before their arrival. The army you can see in Smolensk would also fall prey to an encirclement (It was probably a bug since no army needs 17 days to reach the nearby province which is not infra bombed and the tanks there certainly don't need that long. But we didn't rehost for that lol).



Last stand in priluki.



Last stand in Kharkov.



Zhukov to the RESQU! But I don't know how it ended.



One of the last big battles.

I left after 5 hours of play (1 hour till the end of the session). For those who think that I left cause I was losing, I already informed Strom before the start of the session that i would do that.

Comments on the session:
-If someone says CAS are IMBA (exploit), he is total wrong. CAS are only good if you have airsuperiority, the enemy army is mostly infantry run and it doesn't have a high org or if they do, if they are retreating and if they don't have a high org doctrine.
-The rules have to be written absolutely understandable, so that the next time I start to build an army on the start of 39- third session, ask Strom about that if you don't believe me (DvD defeated me absolutely honorably, im not a bad loser (If thats the correct English expression).
-Its better to retreat you army before it is defeated in MP since when the lag strikes in they mostly retreat the wrong way or are overrun.