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o_O

Never heard it put that way.
DO you agree though?

I'm going to let Wagonlitz call this. Not because I love him (though I do), but because I fear him.
I don't think I am the dictator of WW; neither do I want to be it, since this is and ought to be a democratic community. In my opinion Arkasas should be given the chance as he has GMed properly before and GMing is different from playing. But only one chance; if he fails we shouldn't let him GM again until he start putting more effort into the games. But that is just my opinion.

To move on, I disagree with this wagon

To privilege is not to be the gm, but to have one. The GM is providing the players something they need, in exchange for nothing. Or in the long term, for the perpetuation the community and the game. Even then that is still something one person gives to everyone else, it is a gift. Perhaps one that we all hope will be reciprocated one day, but there is no way to check for that.

Arkasas says he knows what he's signing up for, he just assured us in this thread that he won't make a mess of it, so I don't see valid grounds to say he can't do it. If he isn't the most consistent player, that is a strike against him, but unless or until he screws up a gm job he should go ahead and gm when he gets his turn.
It is true that were we in need of GMs it is the privilege of the players to have a GM. But with no shortage of GMs it is a privilege to be allowed to GM.
 

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DO you agree though?

It is true that were we in need of GMs it is the privilege of the players to have a GM. But with no shortage of GMs it is a privilege to be allowed to GM

I don't know. There wasn't a backlog of GMs until the list existed. I think it created a demand vacuum that filled itself.

I'm also of the perspective that better GMs (in terms of concept, theme, story, etc) should be given priority.

I don't think I am the dictator of WW; neither do I want to be it, since this is and ought to be a democratic community. In my opinion Arkasas should be given the chance as he has GMed properly before and GMing is different from playing. But only one chance; if he fails we shouldn't let him GM again until he start putting more effort into the games. But that is just my opinion.

There's no reason to presuppose that the best ideas will be the most popular ones. A reluctant king is often the best one, and , if you're sincere about that, it's all the more reason to keep you in that position.

Regarding Arkasas, I think that your opinion is measured, sagacious, and just.
 

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You got that quote wrong


Remember that all of the prince is about newly empowered princes, who didn't inherit their title. In other situations, like elected officials for example, this might be very different.

You also misunderstand what was so radical about Il Principe, which was not what it argued for, but what it showed by that argument. If one uses a different basis for morality than the Christian faith which pretended to be universal around that time, then one can use pure logic to arrive at policies that are abhorrent to the good Christian. Within that short booklet are contained the seeds of all moral relativism.

To move on, I disagree with this wagon

To privilege is not to be the gm, but to have one. The GM is providing the players something they need, in exchange for nothing. Or in the long term, for the perpetuation the community and the game. Even then that is still something one person gives to everyone else, it is a gift. Perhaps one that we all hope will be reciprocated one day, but there is no way to check for that.

Arkasas says he knows what he's signing up for, he just assured us in this thread that he won't make a mess of it, so I don't see valid grounds to say he can't do it. If he isn't the most consistent player, that is a strike against him, but unless or until he screws up a gm job he should go ahead and gm when he gets his turn.
I don't think I mentioned if I thought it was edgy or why, but interesting nonetheless. And also if you want to be pedantic, the original quote isn't in English. :p

I'll play in an Arkansas-hosted game
+Agree.
 

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I don't know. There wasn't a backlog of GMs until the list existed. I think it created a demand vacuum that filled itself.

I'm also of the perspective that better GMs (in terms of concept, theme, story, etc) should be given priority.
I don't think that's true. I can not recall a time when a new game was held up for lack of a GM.
 
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I mean a backlog in the sense of a a pile of people waiting in line. There was no thought about who was in store for 3, 5, or however many games ahead. It's been a self-fulfilling mechanism. Before this list, almost anyone could expect to simply take the next game or, failing that, the one following. Reservation being a thing seems to have increased the demand for GM spots.
 

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It makes it essentially impossible for me to GM, as I generally only know if I'll be free a week out from when I'd run a game. Although I've only been free to GM a couple of times since Magical Mystery Tour, so it hasn't really made much difference...
 

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It makes it essentially impossible for me to GM, as I generally only know if I'll be free a week out from when I'd run a game. Although I've only been free to GM a couple of times since Magical Mystery Tour, so it hasn't really made much difference...
It's a shame Wagonlits's system is costing us so dearly.
 

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I really don't see how it makes too much of a difference. The same 10 people will probably end up GMing the next 10 game if they pick it up after the last game or if they reverse it months in advance.
 

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It makes it essentially impossible for me to GM, as I generally only know if I'll be free a week out from when I'd run a game. Although I've only been free to GM a couple of times since Magical Mystery Tour, so it hasn't really made much difference...
You could reserve for some general timeframe like a couple of months and then take it when you have time. Or make some kind of reservation where you go when you have time---and is at the top of the list; a bit like how I5 got his big.
 

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You could reserve for some general timeframe like a couple of months and then take it when you have time. Or make some kind of reservation where you go when you have time---and is at the top of the list; a bit like how I5 got his big.

The problem is my next window could be in 2 months or 2 years. I can see the entertainment value in leaving my name at the top of the list long term so that you never know when I'm going to jump out of the woodwork, but I'm not sure it's what you want :p
 

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I really don't see how it makes too much of a difference. The same 10 people will probably end up GMing the next 10 game if they pick it up after the last game or if they reverse it months in advance.

EXCEPT I CAN'T KNOW IF I WILL HAVE FREE TIME IN 10 WEEKS, BUT I CAN NOW.

What's so hard to understand?

Plus at some point I GM'd every other game. How exactly do I do that here?

This system sucks :(
 

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EXCEPT I CAN'T KNOW IF I WILL HAVE FREE TIME IN 10 WEEKS, BUT I CAN NOW.

What's so hard to understand?

Plus at some point I GM'd every other game. How exactly do I do that here?

This system sucks :(
How can you know that when you do have free time someone won't claim the game before you can?

Also, a bigger pool of GMs benefits everyone.
 

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How can you know that when you do have free time someone won't claim the game before you can?

It generally took a few hours to a few days for new games to appear. You still got rushed sometimes but most of the time if dedicated enough you could get your game up before anyone else.

Also, a bigger pool of GMs benefits everyone.

No, not really. So long as the games are going does it matter if there are more or less GMs?