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The pockets look good, if you can cut them into smaller bits to swallow. But those casualty lists from various battles, damn. You have to be careful with that or they will bleed you white before Smolensk...
Is it because you were attacking over rivers or is the Red Army just that strong?
 

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The pockets look good, if you can cut them into smaller bits to swallow. But those casualty lists from various battles, damn. You have to be careful with that or they will bleed you white before Smolensk...
Is it because you were attacking over rivers or is the Red Army just that strong?

Partly because Bielsk Podlaski is a prime defensive province, with a fort behind a river. It might have been more preferable to simply bypass it and take it when the defenders are out of supply in a few weeks.
 

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Nice big encirclement in the south, but it will take a long time to clean it up.
Good luck, you will need it.

Thanks, and I know it, time is against me

"Kein Plan überlebt die erste Feindberührung !" (No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy)
It seems the ol' Clausewitz was right, once again...

At a glance, I thought you've planned to form/close the pockets too close from the border... but that's just MHO.
I'd rather strike much deeper toward east with my armoured columns before making the "hooks" north and/or south to close the pockets. At least that's what I intend to do in my incoming 'Barbarossa'.
The first month of operations is always critical and often... decisive.
As Misterbean already told you : "good luck". You're going to need it !!!

For sure, a VERY interesting AAR to follow !

Thanks Nicegil, I’ve followed your AAR as well, and hope an update very soon ;)… you are right, that’s what I’ve planed, but as you quoted it, my plan didn’t survive the very first hour of war… I preferred to surround those troops, more south would mean a thinner line to hold them, better 350.000 Ruskies trapped than none

All those big encirclements at the start often makes the rest of the campaign a walkover.

If I only have managed to achieved them…

The pockets look good, if you can cut them into smaller bits to swallow. But those casualty lists from various battles, damn. You have to be careful with that or they will bleed you white before Smolensk...
Is it because you were attacking over rivers or is the Red Army just that strong?

I think both reasons might explain the heavy resistance done by the Soviets.. . I ‘ve lost 83.000 soldiers for 65.000 of them (thanks God for the Luftwaffe total control of the air), but my MP is still over 3.000, so, it shall not be a problem right now

Partly because Bielsk Podlaski is a prime defensive province, with a fort behind a river. It might have been more preferable to simply bypass it and take it when the defenders are out of supply in a few weeks.

Yes, but other provinces were not behind a river nor fortified, I think the Russian Army is simply not collapsing


That was a pretty good start for offensive operations in the East: that big southern pocket will be a relevant loss for the Red Army, and your landings should manage to encircle many other Soviet divisions. But is it just an impression of mine, or the first Soviet line isn't actually collapsing as easily as it'd be supposed to?

Not at all, they are fighting me with all their might… I hope once they start retreating they won’t be able to form such a defensive line again
 

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10th Juni 1941 - 20th Juni 1941

the WW1 type meatgrinder continues, but at least the losses are more even, and some success has been achieved:

In the North, the liberation of the Baltic states continues smoothly and we were able to close the pocket, now known as the 'Kurland Kessel', the pocket of Courland

courlandpocket1.jpg


by the end of the period considered, the pocket was reduced to nearly its end:

courlandpocket2.jpg

not the amount of troops intended to be captured, but at least these soldiers won't be facing us in the future

in the Center, the advance was slower, and we are trying to form two pockets:

encirclementbrestlitowsk1.jpg

first, the encirclement of Brest-Litowsk and far norther the Panzergruppe of Heersgruppe Mitte will try to cut off all those retreating troops

In the South, the pocket is being closed, but at a minimum speed... 3 stukagruppen are helping our soldiers hammering and destroying the morale of the surrounded troops, but their sheer numbers make it difficult anyways, but we are confident to close it very soon. Attempts to liberate those troops have all failed

sudkessel2.jpg


this is the overall situation of the Ostfront after twenty days of heavy fighting

Ostfront20augu.jpg


We were ambitious in excess, now we will try to form smaller pockets, and destroy them one by one, we hope the Red Army will be destroyed before the winter comes...

Luftwaffe missions kept their intensity due to still being operating from the starting airfields in Poland... at least our investment in infra has paid off and no unit is in short of supplies

the losses for these last 10 days were 45.000 German and 41.000 Russian soldiers, but once the pockets fall, this ratio will improve a lot
 

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Nice pockets is the south and in the north. When I start Barbarossa I usually do very similar pockets as my opening moves. Good luck with creating other pockets.
Oh these causality ratios - are Soviets somehow boosted in this mod? As I usually slice through them like warm knife slices butter and usually they loose 4 or 5 times more soldiers than me, even on hard (vanilla, HPP).
 

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Casualties are to be expected in these breakthrough battles, the important part is that you trapped a significant chunk of their army on the border. If you add those to the mix, the ratio is much better. Now just keep them trapped until their supplies run out in a week or so :)
 

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Nice pockets is the south and in the north. When I start Barbarossa I usually do very similar pockets as my opening moves. Good luck with creating other pockets.
Oh these causality ratios - are Soviets somehow boosted in this mod? As I usually slice through them like warm knife slices butter and usually they loose 4 or 5 times more soldiers than me, even on hard (vanilla, HPP).

they are a little boosted, just to avoid the walkover we are used to

Casualties are to be expected in these breakthrough battles, the important part is that you trapped a significant chunk of their army on the border. If you add those to the mix, the ratio is much better. Now just keep them trapped until their supplies run out in a week or so :)

that's the idea... I am also thinking about doing what Model did during the first winter: allow a number of Soviet divisions to infiltrate, close their escape route and destroy them
 

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Don't you get confused by the symbols on the map? All those units barely looking any different makes it hard for me to distinguish between German and Russian units. Even harder so since both use the same standarts on their icons...
 

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Don't you get confused by the symbols on the map? All those units barely looking any different makes it hard for me to distinguish between German and Russian units. Even harder so since both use the same standarts on their icons...

Well I guess there is the fact that German units are grey and Russians are red...
 

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Well I guess there is the fact that German units are grey and Russians are red...

Yeah, but for my part, I seem to be getting along better with the NATO symbols on the icons instead of those flags. For me it's rather unclear what kind of units are there etc...
Well, may be it's just me :-/
 

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Yeah, but for my part, I seem to be getting along better with the NATO symbols on the icons instead of those flags. For me it's rather unclear what kind of units are there etc...
Well, may be it's just me :-/

No worry Baltasar, its not just you :)
 

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Ah nvm I thought you meant the nationality. I agree the type of units isn't easy to see.
 

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Yeah, but for my part, I seem to be getting along better with the NATO symbols on the icons instead of those flags. For me it's rather unclear what kind of units are there etc...
Well, may be it's just me :-/

It does take a bit of practice. Having spend so much time looking at German OOBs and such more, after a while I was able to distinguish between armour battalions and infantry divisions at a glance, just like we do with the NATO symbols.
That being said, I do prefer the NATO symbols. They are a lot simpler.
 

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Don't you get confused by the symbols on the map? All those units barely looking any different makes it hard for me to distinguish between German and Russian units. Even harder so since both use the same standarts on their icons...

Well I guess there is the fact that German units are grey and Russians are red...

No worry Baltasar, its not just you :)

Ah nvm I thought you meant the nationality. I agree the type of units isn't easy to see.

It does take a bit of practice. Having spend so much time looking at German OOBs and such more, after a while I was able to distinguish between armour battalions and infantry divisions at a glance, just like we do with the NATO symbols.
That being said, I do prefer the NATO symbols. They are a lot simpler.


As misterbean, I have read a lot about German OOB (there’s actually a serie of books called German Order of Battle: Infantry, Panzergrenadier, Panzer, etc) so it’s easy for me to distinguish them at a glanze, and it’s nice to see German units with their proper symbols, but I agree with you that maybe the other nations should get the NATO symbols (don’t know if it’s moddable possible to have two diferent counters in the game)
 
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20th Juni 1941 - 20th July 1941

While we consider the 'Ostfront' as our priority, the British don't want us to forget them: that's why the RAF has launched a successful attack against our factories in Düsseldorf

dusseldorfbombing8.jpg


Our response came immediately in the form of a newly created Jagdkorps equipped with our deadliest fighter: the FW-190

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Stationed in the middle of the RAF's routes to attack the Vaterland, they will defend our industries, now 1.200 FW-190 protect the Western skies along with 800 Me-110

In order to better supply our frontline troops, the transport of supplies through the Baltic was authorized and the Batlische Flotte protects our convoys against Soviet Subs

balticsupplieslines.jpg


Brest-Litowsk has finally fallen! and with it, the key of the Soviet defenses in the Center

brestlitowksresult.jpg


But again, the British were jealous of the attention paid to the Soviets and launched a successful landing in Bretagne:

bttleofquimper.jpg

somehow, we missed the notification of the attack, does not matter, our troops will handle them (note who is in British command)

battleofquimperresult.jpg

the rest of the troops surrendered their weapons and went into captivity with Monty

Sadly news for the Monarchists: Der Kaiser ist tot:

kaiserwilhelmtot.jpg


And after almost two months of battles in the East, it came evident to all in Berlin that the PzIV, while an excellent tank, needs a better weapon to fight the Soviet T-34, so it was approved the brand new long barrel for our Panzertruppen

PzIVlongbarrel.jpg

the construction of the Marder becomes available now

While the Northern pocket was easily closed and 110 thousand Russian soldiers were captured, the South was a little more difficult: after heavy fighting and a lot of dead, we managed to form to separated pockets, and the number of troops trapped surprised everyone:

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kessel2.jpg

counting casualties till the moment of the picture, it was calculated that the encirclement had actually captured over 630.000 Soviet troops

with Monty gone, the Brits still tried to test our defenses in France and a new landing was planned, sadly for them, this time we did notice it and the Flotte was dispatched to prevent it

battleofbretoncoast.jpg
battleofbretoncoastresult.jpg

HMS Conqueror was one of the brand new Battleship the Brits have constructed, and not a month in service and now is resting in the bottom of the sea

Here is the overall situation of the Eastern Front at the 20th July: with the destruction of the Southern pocket the 1. Gebirgsarmee, the 7. and 8. Armeen and the 2. Panzergruppe were now free for new operations, at the moment their are being redeployed to new positions and a new operation will start very soon... 'Unternehmen Schwarzer Sand'

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total casualties of the period are 104.000 Germans and an estimated of 780.000 Soviets (counting the captured troops in both the North and the South)
 
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Nicely done. Those 60+divisions gone will hurt the soviets. good job.
 

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O'kay, now you properly destroyed that annoying Soviet first line which didn't seem to want to collapse at the beginning. But if you don't manage to force the Soviets out of the war before the onset of winter, will they be able to recover from the initial disaster? I mean, have you got any intelligence data in order to try and make a comparison between your IC and resources situation and theirs?
 

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Good to see a large chunk of Soviet forces taken out, that massive pocket will hurt them.
And it's always good to see enemy battleships go down :)