Giving Away Factories/IC

[77Hawk77]

It is apparently not possible to buy and sell weapons, but for multiplayer it would be fantastic, if it is possible to give away factories insted of only using it as a currency for buying resources, this way I could give a player a % of my weapons production in exchange for a certain amount of factories, and factories as a currency could be used for all kinds of player deals that are too advanced for ingame modelling.

Would this be hard to impliment?

 

[Dalnar]

What about manufacturing the weapons yourself and sending them via Land-lease ?

 

[77Hawk77]

You could do that, but if i send 20,000 weapons in one go, then you just cancel giving me factories that would suck, so i would rather give percentage everyday for as long as i receive factories.

 

[Nicolas I]

I don't understand. You want to exchange weapons (made using factories) in exchange for factories ? You gain nothing.

 

[LordOfWar16]

You dont gain factories from lend-lease and shouldnt be. You already get the big benefit of recieving experience if your sent equipment is used in battle, which is a massive bonus especially if you are currently at peace. It will be essentially as if you were actively fighting with that equipment yourself.

 

[77Hawk77]

I don't understand. You want to exchange weapons (made using factories) in exchange for factories ? You gain nothing.

No I want the option to give factories away, I might trade 8 civilian factories for the output of 5 military factories of another country. Or I might just trade civilian factories away because that country has better tech.

Also like I said, I could join a war if someone offered me some factories for it.

You dont gain factories from lend-lease and shouldnt be. You already get the big benefit of recieving experience if your sent equipment is used in battle, which is a massive bonus especially if you are currently at peace. It will be essentially as if you were actively fighting with that equipment yourself.

I know, I just want the mechanic of people being able to pay for favour of any kind, it's important in diplomatic multiplayer games i think.

 

[LordOfWar16]

I know, I just want the mechanic of people being able to pay for favour of any kind, it's important in diplomatic multiplayer games i think.

The favor is that they fight for and with you. They could of course in return buy resources from you rather than someone else, which would in return grant you (for you) free factories since you cant use these resources otherwise anyway.

 

[Nicolas I]

...I know, I just want the mechanic of people being able to pay for favour of any kind, it's important in diplomatic multiplayer games i think.

This currency could maybe be political points used to influence other countries ?

 

[77Hawk77]

This currency could maybe be political points used to influence other countries ?

That would work aswell.

The favor is that they fight for and with you. They could of course in return buy resources from you rather than someone else, which would in return grant you (for you) free factories since you cant use these resources otherwise anyway.

Try stay with me Lord and let the equipment trade go. You could pay people to do anything in the game not just equipment, you could make people join your faction if you promise to subsidize their industry, not every small nation has a lot of oil to sell like romania, what if I want to help out a smaller nation with no resources by giving them factories, how do i do that?

 

[LordOfWar16]

Try stay with me Lord and let the equipment trade go. You could pay people to do anything in the game not just equipment, you could make people join your faction if you promise to subsidize their industry, not every small nation has a lot of oil to sell like romania, what if I want to help out a smaller nation with no resources by giving them factories, how do i do that?

if they dont have the resources to trade with you they wont have the industry to trade with you either tho. Only thing that would remotely work would be political power trading, but that is prone to be abusive and breaking balance.

 

[Nicolas I]

if they dont have the resources to trade with you they wont have the industry to trade with you either tho.

They won't need the industry because they won't have the resources to operate them. I agree.

Only thing that would remotely work would be political power trading, but that is prone to be abusive and breaking balance.

Not necessarily, because if you use your political power points to influence other countries you can't use them for some other important decisions. There should be a tradeoff.

 

[77Hawk77]

if they dont have the resources to trade with you they wont have the industry to trade with you either tho. Only thing that would remotely work would be political power trading, but that is prone to be abusive and breaking balance.

You need to try just a little harder to read what I am saying, If I am playing as Germany, I could give factories to Slovakia, Denmark, Albania or whom ever I wanted.

 

[Procyanide]

You need to try just a little harder to read what I am saying, If I am playing as Germany, I could give factories to Slovakia, Denmark, Albania or whom ever I wanted.

I understand what you're trying to say, but why not just give those countries a percentage of your factory output? rather than give them 20.000 rifles you could send them 12% of your rifle production as lend-lease. Giving a percentage of output is already possible ingame and doesnt require you to hand over control of a factory or even move the entire factory.

 

[77Hawk77]

I understand what you're trying to say, but why not just give those countries a percentage of your factory output? rather than give them 20.000 rifles you could send them 12% of your rifle production as lend-lease. Giving a percentage of output is already possible ingame and doesnt require you to hand over control of a factory or even move the entire factory.

because giving them factories would allow them to build their country, add infastructure, their own factories etc. Nation building and all that.

 

[Nicolas I]

because giving them factories would allow them to build their country, add infastructure, their own factories etc. Nation building and all that.

But if they don't have the resources to operate the factories, they will have maluses. In that sense it would be more effective to operate the factories yourself (if you have the resources) and then give your allies lend-lease equipment in separate or continuous shipping.

 

[Fenxis]

because giving them factories would allow them to build their country, add infastructure, their own factories etc. Nation building and all that.

Well they could trade away resources for extra factories...

 

[77Hawk77]

But if they don't have the resources to operate the factories, they will have maluses. In that sense it would be more effective to operate the factories yourself (if you have the resources) and then give your allies lend-lease equipment in separate or continuous shipping.

Well they could trade away resources for extra factories...

Do you guys not understand, that if you can get factories for free, and not trade away their resources, they can actually operate them? But if they give their resources away for factories they can't?

 

[LordOfWar16]

You need to try just a little harder to read what I am saying, If I am playing as Germany, I could give factories to Slovakia, Denmark, Albania or whom ever I wanted.

It was like that in HoI III with lend lease, but the devs were unhappy with that. Rather than that (unrealistic and unbalanced) approach they decided to let you send real equipment with lend lease which can potentially intercepted by the enemy, so it isnt a 100% safe way to support other nations. I highly disagree that basicly giving away factories should be possible, since that would make lend-lease rather pointless and would make convoy raiding very easiely avoidable.

 

[Nicolas I]

Do you guys not understand, that if you can get factories for free, and not trade away their resources, they can actually operate them? But if they give their resources away for factories they can't?

Then you should continue to play HOI3 as you can send IC as you wish so much (and it's your right).

But in HOI4 lend-lease will be portrayed more realistically (and historically) as you send equipment. As equipment is a major feature of HOI4 it's consistent they chose to adopt this system.

 

[Zaku]

Do you guys not understand, that if you can get factories for free, and not trade away their resources, they can actually operate them? But if they give their resources away for factories they can't?

We understand it, we just think it's a bad gameplay element.
Lend lease in HOI3 worked like that, and I feel like it wasn't good for the game at all.