Give the Caspian Sea some love ?

[cleef]

Can we get the Caspian Sea split into 3-4 sea areas and give coastal provinces ports ? It would add some flavour to the game and make it fun... :wub:

 

[sermaciej]

But why would that be fun?

 

[Holland989]

Please do tell me more about naval warfare in the Caspian Sea.

 

[cleef]

What about transporting troops over it.. and wasn't there a trade route that crossed it from East to West ? It would add perhaps a few more reasons to fight in the area ?

Remember how EU4 is only 50% historical... It's a sea large enough to deserve a few areas...

Why you so mean people ? -_-

 

[downing]

I would like it, although I can't imagine that Paradox is going to do this.

 

[Freudia]

The only real reason I think this should happen is because the Caspian Sea lets you claim provinces across it, but doesn't let you core provinces across it.

 

[sermaciej]

What about transporting troops over it.. and wasn't there a trade route that crossed it from East to West ? It would add perhaps a few more reasons to fight in the area ?

Remember how EU4 is only 50% historical... It's a sea large enough to deserve a few areas...

Why you so mean people ? -_-

Because it's not sea, and it's not connected to any sea, so fighting over control of it would be pretty pointless

 

[TimurLank]

Implementing river-based naval battles would actually make more sense.

 

[Yorkie-GBR]

Please do tell me more about naval warfare in the Caspian Sea.

The Caspian Flotilla was engage in battle during the Persian campaign of 1722-1723 and also the Russo-Persian War 1804-1813.

The Caspian Flotilla is now the only naval force in the sea after the peace of 1813.

/edit. Iran also has a presence now.

 

[Mikalos]

The Caspian Flotilla was engage in battle during the Persian campaign of 1722-1723 and also the Russo-Persian War 1804-1813.

The Caspian Flotilla is now the only naval force in the sea after the peace of 1813.

oh boy.

 

[wergy]

How big that "Caspian Flotilla" exactly was? And what ships it had?

 

[Dracolithfiend]

The problem is if you control all provinces around it and build a trade fleet their it would be like economic god mode. For this reason even the Great Lakes will never receive ports.

 

[cleef]

The problem is if you control all provinces around it and build a trade fleet their it would be like economic god mode. For this reason even the Great Lakes will never receive ports.

Why is that ? Wouldn't it just be similar to Constantinople ? I mean it should just be a trade node (not mandatory) but not mandatory.

I'm just thinking of various added scenarios to the region, fighting for access into other regions, trade, etc. Besides, one could use ships to blockade...

 

[Yorkie-GBR]

How big that "Caspian Flotilla" exactly was? And what ships it had?

Not 100% sure, not until I dig in a book or two. But Russians transported 22k army solely by ship, they certainly had First Rate's and Third Rate ships, along with fifth and sixth by association.

Of course these battles were done by the indigenous countries, but Great Britain and others also had a fleet in the Caspian, but this is around the 20th century, back end of the 19th and thus out of the games time frame.

 

[unmerged(332172)]

Not 100% sure, not until I dig in a book or two. But Russians transported 22k army solely by ship, they certainly had First Rate's and Third Rate ships, along with fifth and sixth by association.

Of course these battles were done by the indigenous countries, but Great Britain and others also had a fleet in the Caspian, but this is around the 20th century, back end of the 19th and thus out of the games time frame.

Historically the Caspian Sea had three major ports. Baku, Astrakhan and Mazandaran. And yes the indigenous countries did wage naval wars too. For centuries the Shirvan navy dominated the Caspian Sea until the local dynasty was crushed and destroyed by the Safavid dynasty. With the fall of the Shirvan dynasty the navy transfered hands and the Safavids controlled the trade. The Safavid dominance didn't last long. After the Russian conquest of Astrakhan, the Russian navy invaded Baku and slowly started to dominate the sea. The Russians transfered their Caspian Flotilla from Astrakhan to Baku and within a short period they were in control of the Caspian Sea.

So it would make historical and gameplay-wise sense to divide the Caspian Sea into three regions.

 

[Atilla 'The Hun']

Implementing river-based naval battles would actually make more sense.

+1

 

[Mikalos]

Historically the Caspian Sea had three major ports. Baku, Astrakhan and Mazandaran. And yes the indigenous countries did wage naval wars too. For centuries the Shirvan navy dominated the Caspian Sea until the local dynasty was crushed and destroyed by the Safavid dynasty. With the fall of the Shirvan dynasty the navy transfered hands and the Safavids controlled the trade. The Safavid dominance didn't last long. After the Russian conquest of Astrakhan, the Russian navy invaded Baku and slowly started to dominate the sea. The Russians transfered their Caspian Flotilla from Astrakhan to Baku and within a short period they were in control of the Caspian Sea.

So it would make historical and gameplay-wise sense to divide the Caspian Sea into three regions.

and what, pray tell, would be the befit of this besides a bunch of ships that will never leave the sea and once a suffeciently strong enough country shows up, will never matter again?

 

[Rey]

Nah.. it wouldn't really add much to the game.

 

[cleef]

and what, pray tell, would be the befit of this besides a bunch of ships that will never leave the sea and once a suffeciently strong enough country shows up, will never matter again?

What if a new pretender rises in the area and challenges that "strong enough country" ?

 

[Sir Iain]

Transporting troops across the Caspian Sea would be cool. ButI dodn't think the AI could handle a sea that has no connection to the ocean.
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