Give estates names that fit regions eg. nobility be named Samurai in Japan

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Burghers (called Burghers) and Nobles (called Planters).

Of course the US doesn't usually have nobles since it's a constitutional republic. So it's just burgers.
 
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Since Norse paganism has already been added to the (base) game I'm surprised Paradox hasn't given them unique estate names. Gothi for clergy and Jarls for nobility. No idea what to name the burghers though.
 
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If Japan westernizes, I think the nobility should be renamed to "Kuge". Because that was the original (and legitimate) aristocratic nobility class of Japan until middle of the Ashikaga Shogunate's power. They were completely eclipsed by the Daimyo and Samurai nobility, but they regained a lot of power once Meiji Restoration happened and ...which can be simulated with westernization.

Or in the same way, after westernization they can be renamed to "Kazoku" - which was created after unifying the entire Japanese nobility into a single class...according to Meiji constitution. They were not dissolved until 1947.

And finally, "Buke" can be a good name for "Warrior Houses" or Samurai nobility. Please use that until Japan westernizes.
 
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Perhaps the Irish should have a gallowglass estate instead of nobility. Originally mercenaries, after a while the became a permanent part of a king's army fed by mass billetting or by been given land at the expense of the traditional nobility. They were even given a role in lords' inaugurations as their power increased.
 

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I'm fine with the generic names.
Paradox also made estates mod-able so you can make any flavor of estates for whatever purpose.
 

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Yes, please do :) There is nothing to stop more local names but we need to know of them to add them.
This is suggested from time to time despite already being in the game :)
In the mean time we can change it to whatever because localization modding is ironman compatiable right
 

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Do you have a good link you can refer me to on that term?

LoL there is no link for this since Byzantium was annexed. The source I use for this is the title of governor of Constantinople (the last province). He was called Eparch of Constantinoples. Eparchy= province

According to modern greek history the nobility were called Gaioktimones, which is translated to "big landowners", but this sounds silly so since we talk about fiction here (Byzantium shouldn't survive) let's say that if Byzantium survived the new nobility would be the eparchs who would be like the Pashas during ottoman rule.
 
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Because 'pashas' doesn't encompass people below that rank.

The goal is to have a term which encompasses the full range of people who are part of the same interest group, hence the existence of an estate for that group. 'Ümera' does this, while 'beys' and 'pashas' are both terms which describe only one particular segment of that group.

Why? Did the lower nobility influence the sultan? Beys influenced the pashas and the pashas influenced the sultan.
 

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LoL there is no link for this since Byzantium was annexed. The source I use for this is the title of governor of Constantinople (the last province). He was called Eparch of Constantinoples. Eparchy= province

According to modern greek history the nobility were called Gaioktimones, which is translated to "big landowners", but this sounds silly so since we talk about fiction here (Byzantium shouldn't survive) let's say that if Byzantium survived the new nobility would be the eparchs who would be like the Pashas during ottoman rule.

Why not Strategoi?
 

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Since Norse paganism has already been added to the (base) game I'm surprised Paradox hasn't given them unique estate names. Gothi for clergy and Jarls for nobility. No idea what to name the burghers though.
Maybe "Bóndi"? I think it translates somewhat to "free man" or "farmer". Not entirely the same thing, but the general idea is there, I guess.
 

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Maybe "Bóndi"? I think it translates somewhat to "free man" or "farmer". Not entirely the same thing, but the general idea is there, I guess.

Wouldn't that be more like the peasant estate? Although the game's pretty vague about exactly what the burghers are, they're pretty clearly meant to represent an urban, mercantile class. Although a peasant estate in itself would be very welcome.
 
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In the mean time we can change it to whatever because localization modding is ironman compatiable right
Sadly, adding new conditional names to an estate (rather than changing the localisation of an existing conditional name) requires modifying checksum-protected files.
 
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Sadly, adding new conditional names to an estate (rather than changing the localisation of an existing conditional name) requires modifying checksum-protected files.
Ah unfortunate until next patch then
 

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Why not Strategoi?
Strategoi is a title more connected to the military administration (it is translated to generals)
And it also resembles the past

I think that if Byzantium survived there would have to be a reformation of the provincial administration so that strategoi are not associated with land and things of the past are avoided. This of course is my opinion and nothing more.
 

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Strategoi is a title more connected to the military administration (it is translated to generals)
And it also resembles the past

I think that if Byzantium survived there would have to be a reformation of the provincial administration so that strategoi are not associated with land and things of the past are avoided. This of course is my opinion and nothing more.

Precisely, though.

The provinces granted to Strategoi would be giving military benefits.
 

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Since Norse paganism has already been added to the (base) game I'm surprised Paradox hasn't given them unique estate names. Gothi for clergy and Jarls for nobility. No idea what to name the burghers though.

Kaupmenn, merchants, would probably be the closes thing since old Scandinavia wasn't urbanised enough to have strict urban castes. It's "borgare" in modern Swedish though.
 
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