Burghers (called Burghers) and Nobles (called Planters).
No Clergy, even if they're played by a human and take the Theocratic Administration decision.
Bug report coming soon.
Give estates names that fit regions eg. nobility be named Samurai in Japan
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No Clergy, even if they're played by a human and take the Theocratic Administration decision.
Bug report coming soon.
Shintoism should be syncretistic like Tengri, with it set to syncretistic with Buddhism as default.
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If we're just giving suggestions for names in this thread, Yangban for the Korean nobility.
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"Samurai" would be a bad name for an estate given that the rulers of Japan for the entire EU4 time period were samurai themselves.
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And the rulers of western monarchies weren't themselves nobles?
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And on that note, Seonbi for the clergy. They weren't clergy in the usual sense, but they were very influential in Korea and probably the closest thing to it that existed given that Confucianism isn't really a "religion".
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Since for many years the Shogun held more practical power over Japan than the Emperor, couldn't you just say that IRL Japan simply had the "Dominance of the Samurai Disaster"? Of coarse as someone else mentioned the Nobility in western nations were also rulers, so the estates might simply be seen as influential individuals of the country excluding the ruler.
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Nobility represent the aristocrats, non-royal nobility, landholders, and influential bureaucrats.
They do not represent the royal family.
Yeah, my point was just that the ruler belonging to some class (nobility) does not make that a poor estate (name).
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I might be wrong, but I don't think "all or most" of the nobles held political sway over the military in European countries either. Nonetheless, the nobility state have this power because that was the political function of the nobility as a whole. As I understand, the samurai are the same. Sure, many, if not most, of them didn't have that much power, but collectively, they were still the ones in charge of the military matters in Japan for all of the time period.
At the very last, the term 'samurai' is less incorrect than "nobles" which, in Japanese context, is usually associated with the imperial court, who didn't have any influence whatsoever in the military affairs.
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The USA just shouldn't get estates, but I suppose the burghers represent the more urbanised areas.
Really there should be some kind of late game mechanics that really change how estates work to represent things like Anti-clericalism.
Except Shintoism never syncretised with anything other than Buddhism and Japan's religion was more like Buddhism syncretised with Shinto.
Even a theoretical Christian dominated Japan would probably have more Buddhism syncretised with Christianity than Shintoism with Christianity.
Syncretic mechanics wouldn't be completely wrong, but they'd be less accurate than just gutting Shinto as a religion entirely (except maybe as a Sikhism style thing if you westernise).
Really there should be some kind of late game mechanics that really change how estates work to represent things like Anti-clericalism.
Except Shintoism never syncretised with anything other than Buddhism and Japan's religion was more like Buddhism syncretised with Shinto.
Even a theoretical Christian dominated Japan would probably have more Buddhism syncretised with Christianity than Shintoism with Christianity.
Syncretic mechanics wouldn't be completely wrong, but they'd be less accurate than just gutting Shinto as a religion entirely (except maybe as a Sikhism style thing if you westernise).
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Eparchoi is the right word.
Ehm why not name them Pashas? I think it is more appropriate.
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Because 'pashas' doesn't encompass people below that rank.
The goal is to have a term which encompasses the full range of people who are part of the same interest group, hence the existence of an estate for that group. 'Ümera' does this, while 'beys' and 'pashas' are both terms which describe only one particular segment of that group.
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Erm, no. Why call the entire nobility estate Governors or Generals? It would be like renaming Spain's Nobility to Vicerois.
The only term with a Byzantine feel that is generic enough to be used as a translation for Nobility is Dynatoi (Magnates, lit. "the powerful"). Other appropriate Greek terms are Archontes (Archons) and Eugeneis (generic Nobles, ergo unnecessary to include).
TBH "Nobility" is just fine. I'm all for flavour but at the same time there's no need for historical kitschiness by forcing non-appropriate, mistranslated terms to every tag out there.
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If your country goes revolutionary they're should be a worKing class estate to represent growing influence of lower classes
Maybe for either the Central American culture group or the Nahuatl religion, the Burghers estate should be renamed to the "Pochteca". I am planning on adding this in my mod after I get the DLC, but this would seem like a good addition to the game in general given that the other two estates also have unique names for Nahuatl countries.
Also, I remember reading that the Mayan nobility was called the "Almehenob", so maybe that could be a name for that estate in either their religion or culture group.
Also, I remember reading that the Mayan nobility was called the "Almehenob", so maybe that could be a name for that estate in either their religion or culture group.
One argument I can think of *against* local names is that it might confuse the player, if the names are too obscure. Then again, players can just remember the icons. The money bag, the plated fist and the pressed hands are reasonably self-explanatory, at least for someone who knows about European cultures.
Perhaps. In the French Revolution, the period when the sans-culottes were politically powerful was quite short, and their ambitions were often not that different from the more radical members of the bourgeoisie. Maybe instead of estates, a Revolutionary state should have political factions.
By contrast, if this game were set in the late 19th century or later, trade unions would definitely belong in the game as an organised estate that is capable of making specific demands.
Perhaps. In the French Revolution, the period when the sans-culottes were politically powerful was quite short, and their ambitions were often not that different from the more radical members of the bourgeoisie. Maybe instead of estates, a Revolutionary state should have political factions.
By contrast, if this game were set in the late 19th century or later, trade unions would definitely belong in the game as an organised estate that is capable of making specific demands.
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