I think adding specific names for individual cultures/tags based for the estates would be a nice way to add flavor, and is already something the coding would make really easy. Thoughts?
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Give estates names that fit regions eg. nobility be named Samurai in Japan
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My thought is "Go to the suggestions forum and provide specific suggestions for names to use for cultures/religions that do not already have this, because the feature's in the game already as you'd know if you'd played a non-Christian non-Horde countries since 1.14 came out."
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When you reestablish the Theme system, the Nobility in Byzantium should be renamed to 'Strategoi' or perhaps 'Exarchoi'.
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Calling the nobility in Japan Samurai would be inaccurate. A more accurate title would be kuge or, perhaps more accurately, the dojo.
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Daimyo would only be accurate once you've united Japan, otherwise it would be like the HRE emperor's nobles being called Princes or Electors.
But that aside, I would love to see more of these. Hindu states could potentially name them after their appropriate Castes, but honestly I'm not well versed in foreign languages enough to actually suggest anything beyond that.
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On the other hand, once you've united Japan, it fits about as perfectly as an estate name can.
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Daimyo is a specific rank in the nobility, more so than a title for the nobility. It's like if England had it's nobility estate called "dukes", when in actuality, the nobility included both count-like nobles and duke-like nobles. It'd be inaccurate. Dojo or the even broader Kuge estate would be much more accurate in terms of what the game is trying to represent.
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Daimyo are already represented by the independent vassal states.
The Buke or Kuge (or Dōjō) might fit the Imperial owned Japanese territory better.
These are opposite groups, and I would prefer Buke to Kuge.
After uniting Japan, the name for the nobility could change to Daimyo.
Relevant stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimyo
[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buke_(Japan)']https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuge
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buke_(Japan)
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The Buke or Kuge (or Dōjō) might fit the Imperial owned Japanese territory better.
These are opposite groups, and I would prefer Buke to Kuge.
After uniting Japan, the name for the nobility could change to Daimyo.
Relevant stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimyo
[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buke_(Japan)']https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuge
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buke_(Japan)
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Yes, please do
There is nothing to stop more local names but we need to know of them to add them.This is suggested from time to time despite already being in the game
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Yes, please do
Ottoman and Turkish nobility: Ümera.
Yes, please do
This is suggested from time to time despite already being in the game
Can you localize 'Strategoi' for Greek cultures?
Ottoman and Turkish nobility: Ümera.
In term of usage "umera" meaining is governor.. Ottoman Empire is not a feudal system state.. All of lands and citizens are Sultan's Assets and Subjects.. Only nobilty are "Beys" Beys only cultivate lands for Sultan and pay taxes or/and give soldiers(sipahi) the army, they have not right on these estate.. This is timar sytem..
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Ümera can be thought of as equivalent to the upper nobility. It was the term used in Ottoman chronicles to refer to everyone of the rank of bey and above. When the chronicler wanted to refer the whole upper military elite at once, they would say "ümerâ vu vüzerâ."
"Beys" is inappropriate to refer to the nobility because it doesn't include people ranked pasha. I have never, ever seen the Ottoman elite referred to as "beyler" in any Ottoman chronicle, but the term "ümera" appears again and again.
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For not being a Turk you sure do know a lot of Turkish history.
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Samurai is more accurate than Kuge, because EUIV's nobility are clearly a distributed military nobility which Kuge are not. Buke are petty much just the same thing as Samurai, or at least the western conception of them which isn't that accurate to the Edo or Warring States periods (which were quite different from each other).
Calling them Samurai wouldn't be 100% wrong but would mostly just be pandering to what a western audience expects to see.
The main problem with Japanese estates is the ahistorical Shinto religion that the game foists on Japan. The Japanese clergy estate should represent the large and powerful Buddhist monestaries, but the game mechanics imply the existence of a large powerful shinto priesthood which did not exist (there were a handful of Shinto priestly families in Kyoto, but they were mostly concerned with Ying-Yang ceremonies and astrology rather than modern Shintoism).
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The nobility represents the caste that the ruler is dependent upon for military purposes. I feel that the term 'samurai' would be somewhat limiting. It's not as if all samurais or even most samurais held political sway and influence over the military. It would mostly just be the landed retainers, appointed military officials and overseeing magistrates that matter, in so far as the military dependence is concerned.
Very true. During the EU4 game period, Buddhist sects and monastries held notable influence and power in Japan, whereas Shintoism was really just a mish mash of various traditional Japanese folk religions that did not really organize itself as a meaningful faction that exerted any sort of influence.
The Japanese Buddhist monasteries engaged actively in local conflicts among themselves, and also participated in various conflicts involving wars between Daimyos.
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So how does the estate system work in the United States?
Burghers and Planters? With the planters only being available for provinces that have agricultural products? The Burghers being some sort of early industrialist?
Burghers and Planters? With the planters only being available for provinces that have agricultural products? The Burghers being some sort of early industrialist?