Give back westernisation! And about institutes

[grommile]

I think EU confuses causes and effect somewhat. "Colonialism" isn't an idea, it's a natural consequence of Europeans accidentally stumbling on two rich empires in the middle of internal political crisis and taking advantage of that, with disease opening the way to resettle all sorts of malcontents from Europe (from conquistadors to non-conformists) there. If some Arab navigator sailed on a Chinese junk east to find a shorter way to Europe, and stumbled on the Americas, it's not implausible the same would've happened, but with China replacing Spain, and Buddhists replacing Pilgrims.

Anyone in the Old World who takes Exploration Ideas and reaches the Americas before the threshold date can potentially be the spawn point for Colonialism. It's just that the computer players won't unless they're Atlantic-coast Europeans.

 

[YuriiH]

pick up bardiches from the ground and charge the enemy formation into a melee fight (one that they could win).

To that, Suvorov's famous quote “The bullet is a silly woman, but the bayonet is a good fellow”.

 

[Number 7]

i quite like the new system. i just think it should be a bit harder to be up to date. Granted, i wasn't spending all that much ADM points, and i was blessed with fairly good rulers. but in my Korea game i've embraced every institution within 10 years of them appearing with the exception of renaissance which was embraced by 1475 (so 25 years).

This allowed my korea to be a "great power" (fluctuating from position 6 to 8) without any major conquest by 1515.

i can see a huuuuuuuge difficulty for people without common sense though. Because seeding a group of provinces that happen to neighbour as many provinces as possible is how i get it to spread so quickly. since it goes like wildfire through all the 35+ dev provinces you create up until printing press, which is the last one you really need to spend dev on spawning.

Colonialism sometimes spawns without needing to spend dev, as long as you get lucky. i didn't, but it didn't slow me down.

 

[ahyangyi]

Should we call this thread "reactionary rebels"?

Now about institutes. I think now they spread so slowly in Europe and so fast in other world. So i offer change speed of spreading institutes faster in start of them and slowly and slowly at a distanse of institute center, becouse now chineese countries have same technologies as european nations or near of it and with their grand armies player cant conquer them (at least ottomans exactly not)

Not many Chinese technology countries were conquered historically before 1820 anyway. And those with grand armies (Qing, Japan)? ZERO.

 

[Mike1984]

It really depends on WHEN we are talking. The Russian military was rather modern in the 1700s and 1800s. In fact, the Russians had some very nice artillery pieces during this time, but I'm not sure about the rest of the EU4 period as that lies out of the timeframe that I study :S

Artillery is the same for all nations anyway. It's infantry and cavalry which vary.

 

[Dakka]

Artillery is the same for all nations anyway. It's infantry and cavalry which vary.

True, but you would think that Russia might get an artillery combat ability idea or something...

 

[grommile]

True, but you would think that Russia might get an artillery combat ability idea or something...

Only if it's formed by Smolensk.

We're not sure why.