Give back oligarchy to italian republics

  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

leodrake

Private
Dec 18, 2020
13
17
Since the austria update tags with italian culture are locked out of the oligarchy governament reform for republics (aka the standard republic) that was excanged for the italian signoria (12 years election cycle).
Although the italian signoria is a fun governamet reform to play with i do not understand why everywhere else in the world unique reforms are just an option side by side with the base reforms the italians have to take the short end of the stick and have a reform that changes substantialy the way of playing without the option to play republics normaly.
EDIT: also from an historical point of view this doesn't make sense at game start both siena and lucca where not signorie and although siena would fall into asignoria in 1487 under Petrucci lucca remained a "democracy" until napoleon conquered it.
Also the short lived corsican republic can't realy be rappresented by anything but an oligarchy.
 
Last edited:
  • 3
  • 2
Reactions:

Battlex

Field Marshal
59 Badges
Apr 4, 2017
6.011
6.380
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Victoria 2
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Imperator: Rome - Magna Graecia
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Sengoku
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
Since the austria update tags with italian culture are locked out of the oligarchy governament reform for republics (aka the standard republic) that was excanged for the italian signoria (12 years election cycle).
Although the italian signoria is a fun governamet reform to play with i do not understand why everywhere else in the world unique reforms are just an option side by side with the base reforms the italians have to take the short end of the stick and have a reform that changes substantialy the way of playing without the option to play republics normaly.
Mamlukes is locked, English monarchy is locked, Russian duchy is locked
 
  • 1
Reactions:

leodrake

Private
Dec 18, 2020
13
17
Mamlukes is locked, English monarchy is locked, Russian duchy is locked
Russian duchy is not locked and the other two are tag specific and have ways to return to the standard governament (forming egypt and the english civil war)
italian tags have no way to play standard republic exept by changing culture
Edit: also you are comparing two of the strongest tags on earth with an entire culture group where the smallest tags are opm vassals
It is not like if you release and play as northumberland you are locked with the english monarchy
 
Last edited:
  • 1
  • 1Like
Reactions:

makaramus

Field Marshal
62 Badges
Apr 17, 2017
5.693
1.191
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Tyranny - Bastards Wound
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Stellaris: Necroids
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Surviving Mars: Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
Russian duchy is not locked and the other two are tag specific and have ways to return to the standard governament (forming egypt and the english civil war)
italian tags have no way to play standard republic exept by changing culture
Edit: also you are comparing two of the strongest tags on earth with an entire culture group where the smallest tags are opm vassals
It is not like if you release and play as northumberland you are locked with the english monarchy
ahh yes... forming EGYPT... someting you can o after age of absolutism where everyone starts to quit game , why didnt he think about that ofcourse :D
Italians are fine. their abilty to get a good ruler sometimes and keep upgrading it is just as good as regular election mechanic.
 
  • 2
Reactions:

Battlex

Field Marshal
59 Badges
Apr 4, 2017
6.011
6.380
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Victoria 2
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Imperator: Rome - Magna Graecia
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Sengoku
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
Russian duchy is not locked and the other two are tag specific and have ways to return to the standard governament (forming egypt and the english civil war)
italian tags have no way to play standard republic exept by changing culture
Russian Principality being fixed duchy rank got me confused.
Egypt is tech 20 so way away
Daiymo, shogun, independent shogun can swap between themselves unless you form japan and go empire.
Elective monarchy is fixed until you abolish it via event chain in 1700s
Ottomans and Rum is locked until you become Christian
Celestial empire is locked
Mughal diwan is locked

Forming Tuscany lets you become a monarchy as well as signora if a monarchy before. Low Republican tradition let's you become dictator. Savronolia gives modifiers not unique gov reform iirc