Gibrataltor help

[unmerged(56896)]

I'm playing a US game and i joined the axis :rofl:

I could not figure out how to invade gibratalor at all!!! I've tried basing my transport out of england(within range), out of Italy(within range) and out of southern france(german controlled) and they just won't go. for about two years i've been trying to figure out how to get a unit there because i have 4 fleets and about 16 NAV planes bombing all the convoys that try to come in with in turned killed off all the units there, so its just a lifeless rock but i can't find a way to take it.

I've also built paratroops and airplanes, but the range is really short for the planes so i can't reach it from any allied(axis) areas.


but the game is a blast!, being axis as US made things really intresting, I left Japan un-checked and they have gone crazy, they own all of china, india, and the pacific and are about to invade either africa/or azzuies. they have a super navy of almost 150 ships and 300 div army

 

[Mork]

There are no beach in Gibralta. You can only amphibiously invade beaches. You have to take it via either land or air.

 

[unmerged(56896)]

You know i never even looked, i just thought it is stopping my whole freaking navy from moving into the med that i could invade!!!!!!!!!

that sucks

 

[Mork]

The forts there also looks like sea-forts. An easy mistake to make.

Make an airfield in North Africa, or attack Spain.

 

[unmerged(55451)]

Or try to get Spain in the axis.

 

[petester]

I believe that not having a beach there makes for better gameplay. Strategically, I don't think there is a more important piece of real estate in the game (at least in the top 5) - as with it, you control which side can dominate the med - and thus Africa. Making it too easy to take will shift the direction of the war dramatically. (if Axis takes it, they most likely will win the war in Africa & thus increase odds of wining in Russia)

Takes more planning for you to take it, but hey... If you don't want to take out spain, the other easiest option is to take casablanca and then do a para assault from a nearby airfield.

 

[TheGreatTurk]

Gibraltar is a really vritical point for Axis, especially for Germany. But to invade Gibraltar without nukes is impossible I think. Gibraltar is kind of Maginot and they never can be invaded(I have not inspected this in Doomsday though). In HOI2(without Doomsday), I was allied with Spain and Allies have so much forces that if I could not invade France just at the right speed, they could have been annexed. With its landforts and very big supply, the only possible way to get Gibraltar is to nuke Gibraltar and then do airborne assault.

 

[Red Boxer]

Gibraltar is very invadable. Without nukes, and without Para. You just have to be willing to accept the losses. It is even more invadable now that fortresses degrade in combat.

 

[Terraferma]

Yeah Im trying to take Gibraltar with over 60 Allied divisions as russia. Place should have a beach and I made the same mistake took 10 marine divisions to take Gibraltor as I let the Allies break out to spread forces, about half way I noticed it had no beach and with the Allied ships on my tail I landed in casa Blanca. Mistake was not doing encirclements in Spain, that would of cut down the allied forces. As Germany all that defended Gibraltar was 6 british divisions because I encircled the Allies helping Spain out. Maybe letting them break out fully can help you cut down their forces. Nuke seems a far off "miracle weapon" pre-1943-44. And to make matters worse bombing is almost out of the question for my air force since waves of INTERCEPTORS patrol the skies.

 

[Permanganate]

But to invade Gibraltar without nukes is impossible I think.

You can't invade a human ENG with a well-garrisoned Gibraltar without a massive force of troops (24 attacking from each province, losing, send in the next stack, etc) or ships (-100% Shore Bombardment and they fold like a card table), but against the AI you can simply pull back a little and encircle/Ground Annihilate until the Allied troop number is manageable in a direct assault.

"The Gibrataltor" sounds like a cheesy C-movie ripoff of "The Terminator".

 

[The_Kaiser]

Most of the time the AI leaves Gibralter undefended. I take it all the time as axis without many problems. Either I invade spain, or invade vichy and do a para drop. Either way its taken.

 

[unmerged(50037)]

Most of the time the AI leaves Gibralter undefended. I take it all the time as axis without many problems. Either I invade spain, or invade vichy and do a para drop. Either way its taken.

Sometimes there are a few troops or like 50 divs.. The latter is really painful as there is a level 5 land fort there..

 

[Pharm]

A Way to take "The Rock"

My last game I took Gibralter as Germany without attacking from spain or making Spain a puppet. I first took Casablanca and then based my level 4 Tac and CAS there. I had 4 Air wings of 4 divisions of each. I then proceeded to attack their AA with one Tac formation and then attacked their Infrastructure with the rest till it was zero. I then let loose with Interdiction by all but 2 Air wings (one to keep the AA down and out and one to continue to pound the Infrastructure). By the time my 3 Para divisions went in it was a cake walk.

But you have to keep the AI from adding more units, so a blockaid the area with a strong Carrier fleet.

Scott

 

[Terraferma]

Yep the Navy plays a crucial role, if you cant blockade them they'll just drop in what seems to be an endless supply of troops.

 

[The_Kaiser]

Two good points and I second them. Even if there are 50 divisions, just put a navy on convoy raiding, and another to sit outside the port, and pound them by the air.

 

[unmerged(56550)]

I just took out a Gibraltar fortress and this is how I did it:

First, the situation: Spain and England hat fallen, and GB troops were stacking in Gibraltar, there were 60 divisions and a lvl 8 land fort, I had about 50 divisions outside blocking Gibraltar off.

First I tried starving them, I had 12 subs and the Kriegsmarine on each side on convoy raiding, my NAVs on convoy bombing, but the supplies just keep on coming, the english have probably invented teleporters

So, as I dint want to exploit the AI (retreat, let them come out and than crush them) I planned on taking out this fortress the hard way
I put my TACs on Logistical Strike, reducing the infrastructure down to 1% to hinder their reorganization as much as possible. I had some TACs in interdiction, but that didnt seem to help much. The good thing was that these air attacks also reduced the landforts, at my fist assault they were down to 3/8 and fell to zero during that attack.

Attacking: I had a HQ in the vicinity, therefore attacked with 24 Divs from each province and the Kriegsmarine doing shore bombardment (only adding -12, but it helped a bit I hope). As it was winter I only had daylight from 8:00-18:00 and broke off my attack as soon as night set in (nevertheless suffered about 40-60 manpower loss during this one day of combat alone!

Now I regenerated for about 5-7 days, than started my next attack, all the while my Luftwaffe keept the infrastructure at 1%.

It took me about 6-8 weeks, than the org. of the defenders was so low that I was finally able to force them to surrender, this has cost me about 300 manpower I guess, but with 60 divisions destroyed and their home island lost the british are now no longer a threat in this game

 

[unmerged(13991)]

As germany, I do invade Spain the 27 mars 1936, annex and liberate as puppet. The result is 10.5 % percent of dissent, a good pupet that do a lot of research, and the 01/09/1939 when WWII brake out, I simply attack Gibraltar with 3 or 4 spanish division + 1 german division (the exp point must go a german commander), and the TAC and CAS the spaniard have. in 6 hours , ite missa est and Franco can rule a really united Spain (also the MP losses are minimum).

Why keep a pain in the a*** for so long? Personally I prefer to use KY (lol, not realy).