Gibraltor Question

[Larry Reese]

As Russia while crushing Germany and Italy in 1940/1941 I combined my fleets in the Med. No problem entering. Now, Germany and Italy defeated (though some hold outs around the globe, Das Reich division now stationed in Tokyo; a few Italians in east Africa and Ethiopia) and I'm moving on Japan who went crazy in the Far East when I took on Germany in 1940. Japan, as usual, has not attacked the US.

Problem is, since Britain is not at war with Japan (I am assuming) I cannot use either Suez or Gibraltor to sail my fleet to the Far East. I've gotten transit rights from Rep. Spain, but not from the UK (I think Gibraltor is the key). Question is this: If I am not at war with Britain why can I not use the straights or Suez?

Makes no sense to me.

Second question: In this situation, is there anything you can do short of war with the Allies to open up those straights? Britain says transit rights are impossible?

Thanks,

LR

PS - Third question: Japanese Marines landed in Genoa at one point in force (but were crushed) in this locked Med. How could they get in if I can't get out? Also, I could find no Jap shipping in the Med. Are the Marines self-amphibious even on the high seas? I kind of understand them crossing straights unassisted (like Kamchatka/Amure) but am not so sure they should be able to make it half way around the world.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

 

[Pro_Consul]

Question is this: If I am not at war with Britain why can I not use the straights or Suez?

IIRC, a nation at war cannot pass a blockable strait controlled by a nation they are not allied with. What has me questioning if I have that right is that if true, you should not have been able to pass through the Bosporus to reach the Med in the first place.

Second question: In this situation, is there anything you can do short of war with the Allies to open up those straights? Britain says transit rights are impossible?

Not sure. Going on the assumption that I had the rule wrong above, it might be enough if the UK ends up at war with Japan. But somehow I doubt it would be that simple. But my return question, why didn't you just deploy a fleet at Vladivostok? That's a lot easier way to reach Japan than setting out from Sebastapol.

Japanese Marines landed in Genoa at one point in force (but were crushed) in this locked Med. How could they get in if I can't get out? Also, I could find no Jap shipping in the Med. Are the Marines self-amphibious even on the high seas? I kind of understand them crossing straights unassisted (like Kamchatka/Amure) but am not so sure they should be able to make it half way around the world.

Could be the Italians temporarily had control of the Suez, I suppose. As to the fleet that carried those marines, if they were on a trim fleet that consisted of nothing more than 2 or 3 transports or landing craft, then they would be difficult to spot at sea. And as to the range issue, the AI is exempt from the range rule for naval missions. It is sort of a balance mechanism to account for a human's greater ability to figure out which ports matter and which don't and use that info to shut down an AI-controlled naval power with very little effort.

 

[gunstickuncle]

IIRC, a nation at war cannot pass a blockable strait controlled by a nation they are not allied with. What has me questioning if I have that right is that if true, you should not have been able to pass through the Bosporus to reach the Med in the first place.

That might not be entirely correct; afaik you can pass any strait as long as you are not at war with the current controller. I always see that Romanian sub in the Med. Usually this is subject to house rules in MP, but not in SP.

 

[feye1]

That might not be entirely correct; afaik you can pass any strait as long as you are not at war with the current controller. I always see that Romanian sub in the Med. Usually this is subject to house rules in MP, but not in SP.

You can sail through any straits unless that one is controlled by a country you are at war with. So when Soviet Union isn't at war with the Allies/UK, he should be able to use both Suez and Gibraltar, unless they are in hands of any Axis country (most likely Italy).

 

[Larry Reese]

My thoughts exactly (that I should be able to use either or both as long as I'm not at war with the holder - or one of their allies). But I sure can't, and both are totally controlled by the UK.

ProC - earlier on in this scenario I always move the far eastern fleet to western Russia if I plan to take on Germany in 1940. Japan will always attack immediately and the obsolescent hulks don't last long against the Japanese navy. In earlier games I've always been able to sail back east without a problem later - I think something is glitched in this game somehow. In answer to the other question, I like the balance mechanism, but when I later examined the Med after tagging JAP I saw no transports or any other fleet components anywhere outside the pacific.

This whole thing is very weird.

LR

 

[Pro_Consul]

In answer to the other question, I like the balance mechanism, but when I later examined the Med after tagging JAP I saw no transports or any other fleet components anywhere outside the pacific.

Then I am going to guess they were either got out or were sunk right after unloading. But it is for sure that MAR cannot transport themselves.

 

[Larry Reese]

Any idea why the Med is closed? Something wrong with the game engine? File corrupted? Anything short of war with Britain to get it opened?

LR

 

[feye1]

Any idea why the Med is closed? Something wrong with the game engine? File corrupted? Anything short of war with Britain to get it opened?

LR

post save pls

 

[Larry Reese]

Will post save. Update though - I found that even after England gave me transit rights I could not "move order" through either straight, but if I clicked on a base outside the Med it would give me the "rebase" option. So I have been able to get the fleets out. 3 a.m. here, will post save next game session.

Thanks as always.

LR

 

[feye1]

Will post save. Update though - I found that even after England gave me transit rights I could not "move order" through either straight, but if I clicked on a base outside the Med it would give me the "rebase" option. So I have been able to get the fleets out. 3 a.m. here, will post save next game session.

Thanks as always.

LR

Your fleet probably didn't have the range to get to the sea provinces outside of the Med Sea. With rebase range isn't an issue.