Gibraltar & Suez allow passage to enemy fleets??

[gideric]

(Resolved) Gibraltar & Suez allow passage to enemy fleets??

Hi Everyone,

I'm playing Arma 1.3beta2 as the Romanians, and I've noticed what may be a bug. I'm currently playing as Romania, and I'm occupying (with ground forces) Gibraltar, Suez (& Istanbul), and ALL other provinces bordering the mediterranean. However, the enemy UK & American fleets keep sailing into the mediterranean with impunity and wiping out my fleets inside. This is happening even 12 months after locking up these passages, and new fleets are definitely making their way in. I seem to recall when playing as Italy or Ger. that I couldn't pass through either of these channels when the British held them, so what gives? Does the passage effect only work between the allied & axis powers? Is this a bug in Arma 1.3b2? Am I missing something in how these work?

Thanks,
GidEric

 

[ztanz]

Are you sure they don't have navies in the Med. that can't get out? :]

Hunt them with some bombers.

 

[gideric]

That was my first thought =-) I've been bombing the heck out of everything in there for a year now, and the number of enemy ships (including battleships and aircraft carriers) has only increased with time, to the point where I can't send any fleets or transports across the Med anymore.

I became doubly suspicious when a new large US fleet with aircraft carriers showed up in the Med 9 months after I locked it up. It either wasn't there before, or had spent the previous year sitting in some naval area that I'd missed with bombers, fighters, navies, and adjacent garrisoned land provinces.

Does anyone know if enemy naval supply lines are severed at Gibraltar and Suez? These enemy fleets never go out of supply for what that's worth.

Are you sure they don't have navies in the Med. that can't get out? :]

Hunt them with some bombers.

 

[Zorro]

This confuses me. Having those two ports should prevent ships from entering. I'd send some planes over to Gibraltar and do an air mission just to see if I could catch them in the act, just so you know for sure. Taking Gibraltar and the Suez is always a key goal of mine whenever I'm at war with the allies. I have never had this problem you have now.

I'm guessing that if they are indeed somehow still passing through the Suez and Gibraltar I'd imagine they'd have no problem with supplies.

If you could please post a picture of your game with the mediterrian area. Maybe there is something you missed.

 

[unmerged(89729)]

take fog of war out then you can check what happens exactly. F12 opens console and then type there nofog. But I think they are relics remained there before you closed the exits.

 

[gideric]

Found it! Thanks for the suggestion on the nofog. I went back and examined all of my saved games, and found out there there was a large French fleet, midsized British, and small US fleet in the med after I'd locked it up. No fleets moved through the passages. When I annexed France, however, ownership of their fleets passed to the British, who were able to use them against me far more effectively than the British- this is why it suddenly seemed like there was a huge inrush of allied fleet activity in the Med.

Thanks guys- this was driving me nuts.

 

[gideric]

Edit- The British were able to use the trapped navies far more effectively than the _French_ =-)

 

[midget_roxx]

Ive seen the AI manage to get ships into the Black Sea even though Turkey is nuetral. So maybe its the same for Suez or GIbralter

Edit: My bad it was the Soviet black sea fleet getting out of the Black Sea

 

[gornard]

It doesn't matter if a country is neutral, you are only prevented from passing through when you are at war with the owner and he has troops occupying it iirc

 

[hebelecan]

It doesn't matter if a country is neutral, you are only prevented from passing through when you are at war with the owner and he has troops occupying it iirc

Bosphorus is a special case, Turkey has to be at war and you have to be allied to her.

 

[gornard]

thats confusing. Are there any other cases like that? I'm pretty sure the panama canal and the danish islands work as normal.