Ghost marriages & one more bug

unmerged(11427) · Feb 12, 2006

This information was gathered with RC-E files.

While working on the inbred problem with generic characters I stumbled upon another thing. There are several marriages (YEAR_scenarios_relations.inc) between characters that do not exist (YEAR_scenarios_characters.inc). They are not parents to anyone and there is absolutely no reference to them. The solution is to remove (comment out) those marriages in relations files.

Code:

1066 scenario

20555 & 4555
20556 & 4556
20557 & 4557

Code:

1187 scenario

12971 & 12972

There is of course one exception to the rule. In 1337 scenario non-existing character (ghost) ID=55415 is married to an existing character ID=55414. I clicked my way to character ID=55414 (Charles de Capet) hoping to crash the game and gain huge prestige in BETA forum. However, the game did not crash. It seems that the game engine is more robust than I thought. Anyway, it is a bug.

Also, the ghost character IS referenced in characters file, but only as a mother of two children. Clicking on them does not crash the game and they appear 'motherless'.

Code:

1337 scenario

[i]55414[/i] & 55415

Here is another thing. Clicking my way through de Capet dynasty I found this 8 year old character. Her relations are impossible (old geezer as a child) and also sick (another old geezer as a husband).

unmerged(5822) · Feb 12, 2006

We have discovered time travel!!!

unmerged(6777) · Feb 12, 2006

I have corrected the 1066 and 1187 as per your suggestion (deleted them) but before I do the 1337 one I want to make sure I correctly understand your suggestion.

As I read it, you'd like me to remove the phantom marriage between 55414 & 55415, but do you also want me to delete something else relating to 55415? If so, exactly where?

Also, do you have a proposal regarding how I should best go about fixing Blanche's situation? If yes, please post back here (with ID's) and I'll do so.

Olaus Petrus · Feb 12, 2006

I found info about Blanche Capet

Daughter of Louis IX of France & Margaret of Provence

Blanche (1253-1320); m. Fernando de la Cerda, Prince of Castile

Sons of Blanche & Fernando:
Alfonso (1270-1324), who married Mafalda of Narbonne, Lady of Lunel, daughter of Aimerico VI of Narbonne and Sibila of Foix. They had three sons and three daughters.

Fernando (1275-1322), who married Juana Núñez de Lara, called "la Palomilla", Lady of Lara & Herrera, daughter of Juan Núñez de Lara “el Mayor” and Teresa Álvarez de Azagra. They had one son and three daughters.

So she should be dead.

unmerged(11427) · Feb 12, 2006

MrT said:
As I read it, you'd like me to remove the phantom marriage between 55414 & 55415, but do you also want me to delete something else relating to 55415? If so, exactly where?

Unfortuantelly, I don't have a clue what to do. Don't delete anything for now. The game works fine. Maybe someone with historical knowledge and/or speaking French can dig some info about Charles de Capet and his first(?) mystery wife (ID=55415) and their two children. They belong to a different dynasty (d'Evreux or something?).
Charles also has a second wife and three children with her.
I'll will also look for some information and try to understand what should be done.

MrT said:
Also, do you have a proposal regarding how I should best go about fixing Blanche's situation? If yes, please post back here (with ID's) and I'll do so.

Again, no clue. It looks like Olaus Petrus find the correct info. I can't figure out what is her ID. There are two Blanche de Capet's at that court, both 8 years old. One of them is a daughter of Charles de Capet who is mentioned above in the problematic marriage. I don't know, if those two problems are somehow related. I will look into this further. So, my suggestion is again, don't do anything for now. It doesn't break the game.

Olaus Petrus · Feb 12, 2006

Fat said:
Unfortuantelly, I don't have a clue what to do. Don't delete anything for now. The game works fine. Maybe someone with historical knowledge and/or speaking French can dig some info about Charles de Capet and his first(?) mystery wife (ID=55415) and their two children. They belong to a different dynasty (d'Evreux or something?).
Charles also has a second wife and three children with her.
I'll will also look for some information and try to understand what should be done.

Again, no clue. It looks like Olaus Petrus find the correct info. I can't figure out what is her ID. There are two Blanche de Capet's at that court, both 8 years old. One of them is a daughter of Charles de Capet who is mentioned above in the problematic marriage. I don't know, if those two problems are somehow related. I will look into this further. So, my suggestion is again, don't do anything for now. It doesn't break the game.

Here's info about wives and children of Charles de Capet:

Charles IV of France (1295-1328, r.1322-1328)

* Wives:
o Blanche of Burgundy (1296-1326) daughter of Otto V, Count of Burgundy divorced in 1322
o Marie of Luxembourg (1305-1324) daughter of Henry VII, Holy Roman Emperor
o Jeanne d'Evreux (1310-1371)

* Children from Blanche
o Philip (1314-1322)
o Jeanne (1315-1321)

* Child from Marie
o Louis (1324)

* Children from Jeanne
o Jeanne (1326-1327)
o Marie (1327-1341)
o Blanche, Countess of Beaumont (1328-1392); m. Philip Duke of Orléans
Here's the second Blanche de Capet

Gaute65 · Feb 12, 2006

Olaus Petrus said:
Here's info about wives and children of Charles de Capet:

Charles IV of France (1295-1328, r.1322-1328)

* Wives:
o Blanche of Burgundy (1296-1326) daughter of Otto V, Count of Burgundy divorced in 1322
o Marie of Luxembourg (1305-1324) daughter of Henry VII, Holy Roman Emperor
o Jeanne d'Evreux (1310-1371)

* Children from Blanche
o Philip (1314-1322)
o Jeanne (1315-1321)

* Child from Marie
o Louis (1324)

* Children from Jeanne
o Jeanne (1326-1327)
o Marie (1327-1341)
o Blanche, Countess of Beaumont (1328-1392); m. Philip Duke of Orléans
Here's the second Blanche de Capet

Thats correct Olaus Petrus, you beat me

MrT; you dont need to do anything with the setup in 1337, except remove the ghost marriage:

Code:

1337 scenario

55414 & 55415

unmerged(6777) · Feb 12, 2006

Done.

So Blanche is okay now?

unmerged(11427) · Feb 13, 2006

That's not all.

Blanche de Capet (ID=55422): change birth and death as Olaus Petrus said:

Code:

	birthdate = { year = 1253 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1320 month = january day = 1 }

As far as Charles, remove the marriage (you already did) and for his children with 'non-exsting character' (Blanche of Burgundy according to Olaus Petrus), remove their mother.

i.e. for characters ID=55416 (Philippe) and ID=55417 (Jeanne) delete the line with their mother (her ID=55415).

Gaute65 · Feb 13, 2006

MrT said:
Done.

So Blanche is okay now?

This id the correct Blanche De Capet:

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 55422 }
	name = "Blanche"
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =81 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 55404 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 55409 }
	country = BOUR
	religion = Catholic
	culture = Frankish
	birthdate = { year = 1253 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1320 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "04563636365466"
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
	}
}

unmerged(11427) · Feb 13, 2006

OK. To make it as easy as possible for MrT:

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 55416 }
	name = "Philippe"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =730 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 55414 }
	country = FRAN
	religion = Catholic
	culture = Frankish
	birthdate = { year = 1314 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1322 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "05634566466636"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		martial_cleric = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 55417 }
	name = "Jeanne"
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =730 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 55414 }
	country = FRAN
	religion = Catholic
	culture = Frankish
	birthdate = { year = 1315 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1321 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "05634566466636"
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 7
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		scholarly_theologian = yes
	}
}

Those are the children of Charles de Capet with 'ghost' (Blanche of Burgundy). You can copy/paste this over those two characters.

unmerged(6777) · Feb 13, 2006

Excellent! Thanks very much to all three of you for your help.

If it strikes you as odd that I'd be kind of inept at this stuff, it's because I had almost 0 involvement with the scenario files at all. That was all work done by another part of the beta team while I was busy writing events and creating the various other databases. I more or less understand it all, but I'm terrible at remembering where all the bits and pieces are and what to do with them.

unmerged(11427) · Feb 13, 2006

MrT said:
If it strikes you as odd that I'd be kind of inept at this stuff, it's because I had almost 0 involvement with the scenario files at all. That was all work done by another part of the beta team while I was busy writing events and creating the various other databases. I more or less understand it all, but I'm terrible at remembering where all the bits and pieces are and what to do with them.

It is a good thing that you don't understand everything what we've done here.

We turned an 8 year old child into an old woman and killed her.

Gaute65 · Feb 13, 2006

This is the second time I have seen a character with same name, birthday and dynasty. Maybe someone could make a program that checks name. birthday and dynasty?

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