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Just start playing without anyone telling you how to play. Learning the game on your own is the most fun. And then, 1000 hours later, you'll get along. :D

1000 hours? That's barely the turorial :p
 

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@Quaade, sounds good, I'll look forward to your streaming.
I should be done before 1st september, if I get time in the evenings I might be able to make the first few hours in the evening and release it before that :)
 

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@Zaister sry for the delay... had some issues I had to deal with... However, made the introduction to nation picking and going through the starting screens numbers and different tabs in this video... Will be uploading more this evening where I will go live on twitch aswell.

Youtube:
Twitch: https://go.twitch.tv/vikingquaade

On twitch you can ask random questions and I will try to give my POV on how to do it and why :)

P.S. I asked TinyWiking if it was ok to use links for this purpose, one of the reasons for the delay, and he said it would be okay for that purpose :) so hopefully other moderators will agree.
 

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I always go against the idea that you should play Ottomans or something for your first game. They won't teach you anything because the real game doesn't work with all the hand-holding and such. You learn from mistakes and failures, and as stuff like Ottos and France it's pretty hard to fail -- you just make tiny mistakes you'll never notice because it's so easy.
 

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Eh, I think it's good to get an introduction to how the game works. Sure you'll make some mistakes and survive them, but then you will at least have a better grasp of what's going on when those mistakes do come and bite you. My very first game was Brandenburg--which ended with my country bankrupt. my army gone, my allies ditching me, and being targeted with reconquest wars I had no way to win. I restarted as Castille, and had a quite successful game which gave me a good grasp of how to actually manage things the next time I did try a more difficult start. It's a valid point either way, but I think it helps to be in a situation where you can make mistakes and recover from them pretty easily at first.
 

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Eh, I think it's good to get an introduction to how the game works. Sure you'll make some mistakes and survive them, but then you will at least have a better grasp of what's going on when those mistakes do come and bite you. My very first game was Brandenburg--which ended with my country bankrupt. my army gone, my allies ditching me, and being targeted with reconquest wars I had no way to win. I restarted as Castille, and had a quite successful game which gave me a good grasp of how to actually manage things the next time I did try a more difficult start. It's a valid point either way, but I think it helps to be in a situation where you can make mistakes and recover from them pretty easily at first.
My first advice to all newcomers... Start big, be overwhelmed and make mistakes, at least you can afford more mistakes and you get acces to features sooner... Then take a small nation like Denmark (not biased... at all...) which will be less overwhelming and you can try maximize the use of mechanics and be challenged a bit more... When you also fail that one, try going back with a large nation again... You will suddenly realize how much you learned just from two games you failed from, and it will already be much more fun :)
 

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I always go against the idea that you should play Ottomans or something for your first game. They won't teach you anything because the real game doesn't work with all the hand-holding and such. You learn from mistakes and failures, and as stuff like Ottos and France it's pretty hard to fail -- you just make tiny mistakes you'll never notice because it's so easy.

Its down to a question if you think the best way to learn swimming is to be tossed out in the deep end of the pool, or if the best way is to be given Swim wings and a cork board.
 

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Its down to a question if you think the best way to learn swimming is to be tossed out in the deep end of the pool, or if the best way is to be given Swim wings and a cork board.
Depends. My kid or someone else's?
 

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Its down to a question if you think the best way to learn swimming is to be tossed out in the deep end of the pool, or if the best way is to be given Swim wings and a cork board.

Depends. My kid or someone else's?
I just toss the fucker in... either they learn... or they don´t :p
 

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@Zaister sry for the delay... had some issues I had to deal with... However, made the introduction to nation picking and going through the starting screens numbers and different tabs in this video... Will be uploading more this evening where I will go live on twitch aswell.

Youtube:
Twitch: https://go.twitch.tv/vikingquaade

On twitch you can ask random questions and I will try to give my POV on how to do it and why :)

P.S. I asked TinyWiking if it was ok to use links for this purpose, one of the reasons for the delay, and he said it would be okay for that purpose :) so hopefully other moderators will agree.

Thank you, I look forward to checking out your videos later tonight!
 

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Probably the best (and only?) way to learn the game is to watch a few basic tutorials and read the general overview on EU4wiki, and then play play play. Then, watch some more videos, and sometimes even the same (when you know more about the game, you pick up new stuff from the same videos), read some more on wiki. And play play play. Then back to the youtube-video-wathing and wiki-reading again,...

Going back and forth between the game and "studying" the game is probably the only way. Don't try to understand all from the start, it's impossible. But the good thing is you will learn as you play (at least if you pay close attention to what's happening, and also watch/read).

And one more thing,.. about choosing what country to start your first game with, I don't agree with the suggestions of Ottomans or France. I think they are too large, too many neighboring rivals (perhaps not powerful rivals, but anyway), too many events. Basically, a lot of things are happening which you don't really have control over. So, wars may break out when you're not prepared etc.

Instead, I would recommend starting out with a medium-sized country in a safe position (geographically as well as diplomatically). Portugal is a perfect country for your first EU4 game, in my opinion. It gives you a good chance to practice the basic things, but not being overrun with events or surprising wars. Portugal has a safe position but still not too peaceful (there will be wars to fight), a reliable ally in Castille, a manageable trading situation, good opportunities to colonize, etc.
 

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I would recommend learning the game with France. It's big enough that you can lose a couple of wars and not be destroyed, you can get the colonial game going, and you might even luck into a personal union or something. You are also surrounded by countries that aren't pushovers. The main thing to remember when you are playing with the big powers is that things like maintained forts, army sliders at full capacity during peace, and 3 advisers on day 1 are luxuries that you can't use early in the game with poor nations, and in a lot of cases (just about every case with forts), you are better off not using with the big countries, either.

Try to find a good tutorial video explaining trade. Once you understand trade, you should have a good sense of which provinces you should conquer and which buildings to build.