Getting all of Burgundy as France (Burgundy inheritance)?
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Besides the emperor part as it's bit too late for that. Would it be enough to declare war on both Burgundy and Austria (current emperor) to block Austria from getting the other part? As to my knowledge if emperor is at war with France they wont get the provinces.
The event can't trigger when the emperor is at war with France, so no that wouldn't help. And besides that, there are a lot of other people who would get the HRE lands before you do in that case anyway.
It goes like this:
Emperor (with at least 8 provinces, or 6 if HAB)
RM Neighbour (at least 3 provinces, and part of HRE)
RM (same thing)
Spain/Castile
Emperor (if less then the required provinces)
There are some more modifiers on there, like not being allowed to have a capital in the British Isles for most of them, but that's not very relevant here. The best way for France to get that land is being the emperor. Alternatively you could join the HRE and get a royal marriage with Burgundy while taking provinces away from the emperor and other neighbours of Burgundy. But being the emperor is much safer and easier tbh
Is there a solid way to join the HRE as France other than to vassalize the elector princes?
In all of my france games the Emperor doesn't allow my capital to join the HRE. Would it work if i conquer a HRE Member and switch capital there?
In all of my france games the Emperor doesn't allow my capital to join the HRE. Would it work if i conquer a HRE Member and switch capital there?
The event can't trigger when the emperor is at war with France, so no that wouldn't help. And besides that, there are a lot of other people who would get the HRE lands before you do in that case anyway.
It goes like this:
Emperor (with at least 8 provinces, or 6 if HAB)
RM Neighbour (at least 3 provinces, and part of HRE)
RM (same thing)
Spain/Castile
Emperor (if less then the required provinces)
There are some more modifiers on there, like not being allowed to have a capital in the British Isles for most of them, but that's not very relevant here. The best way for France to get that land is being the emperor. Alternatively you could join the HRE and get a royal marriage with Burgundy while taking provinces away from the emperor and other neighbours of Burgundy. But being the emperor is much safer and easier tbh
Hmm, ok. It's just that trying to rotate three fronts in under 50 years to vassalize Portugal, Castile, England and break-up Muscowy leave very little time, money or manpower to do anything with HRE
France is too big to join the HRE. You can't add your capital to the HRE. Vassalising electors is the way to go.
Well.
In 1.5 (where your vassals will accept your cores), there might be a way, depending on whether the Emperor considers the size of your vassals when deciding whether to let you in.
You need to add your capital to the HRE right? And then you can only add a province to the HRE if it's neighboring another imperial province? So best bet would be to find the most optimal way to add Ile de France to the HRE. Those French provinces though have massive base tax.
You need to find the most optimal way to get down to 50 province base tax, which takes a lot of work for France. It's doable sure, but will cost you a lot of time. Especially now some of your vassals might be diplomats and don't want anything. That will change in 1.5 where they'll buy any of your cores, but even then it takes a lot of precious time of relative weakness.
France is powerful enough to DoW the empire, vassalize three electors and force Austria to release Styria, so that's generally the better way to go about things.
I think the lower you can get your total base tax, the lower the relationship requirement with the emperor will be. And I just looked it up, Ile de France itself is already a whooping 15 base tax. (highest in the game)
But going back to the original problem of OP, you would need to do this before Charles the Bold dies. You may be able to join the HRE or vassalize the electors before then, but you still need the emperor to die too. A lot of luck involved.
So realistically, your best bet if you want all of Burgundy as France is to go to war for it. Unless you feel that the RNG gods are shining upon you.
Or you could just ally Austria and with his help beat down Burgamdy, have the inheritance fire and then break your alliance and DoW Austria, take a Burgundy province and then in the next war, have Austria return all their cores.
Vassalize all of the electors as fast as humanly possible to become emperor. If the event fires then you should be able to claim it all.
You also need the emperor to die after you have vassalized enough electors, for you to become the new emperor. And this needs to happen before the inheritance event fires.
Granted, it's a long shot, but I think it's the only way to make sure you inherit all of it when the event fires.
For some reason I get cores on the northern half of Burgundy every other France game I start. In that case it is pretty easy to get most of Austria's portion in one war.
it's possible for you to get elected as empire by just going over relation limits and marry &ally improve relation with cologn, saxony and palatines. If Austria picks bad allies at start of game (e.g. hungary urbino, bohemia etc) you have a window of about 3 years to get elected before (usually) denmark DoW on someone and austria defends them. If the king dies before this happens you become emperor and can get whole of burgundy.
I know it's possible, but difficult. In terms of luck, i would say it's actually similar to getting a successful byzantium game off the ground. I tried it before, i got it to work once, but screwd up afterwards. i just couldnt be bothered doing it again
I know it's possible, but difficult. In terms of luck, i would say it's actually similar to getting a successful byzantium game off the ground. I tried it before, i got it to work once, but screwd up afterwards. i just couldnt be bothered doing it again
There's a way to make this quote-on-quote more reliable; Austria starts with no heirs. And a PU'd nation can't be emperor as they are a subject. Increased chances are increased chances alright. Plus, the event can fire all the way up to 1500, that being 65 years 50 days. And if France doesn't attack Burgundy from one side, it's much less likely it will fire before you have it do so.
And if someone was wondering how to do all this without losing 10 diplo points a month thanks to your billion vassals, pretty sure you can just concede to someone and let those vassals break free; you have cores on all their lands.
Update: It is definitely doable.
The deed is done, and it definitely works that way. First the event for France fires, then the event for the Emperor, and you inherit both halves of Burgundy. The final runaway vassal of ours is back in the fold... well, except for England. I've basically won before the 1500s. Though I take my previous point back, time IS a huge constraint.
Here is how I did it: Take whatever you can from England, ally and RM Castile (they'll most likely backstab you but you have a chance of PUing them if the royal marriage keeps up and you'll need a good ally in the future), then attack Provence and take Barrois as well as both provinces in Lorraine. Start claiming Pfalz and release Lorraine as a vassal when you hit 10%. Whenever you feel safe enough anywhere up until this time, dow brittany and concede to release all your vassals (except Lorraine of course) at 100% warscore so they can't refuse your offer of peace. This will temporarily weaken you, but you will be able to annex all of these in one go 5 years later as you have cores on them. Do guarantee anyone bordering Burgundy, they are strong enough as is. Valid strategy for Azur Semé de Lys d'Or btw. You want to vassalize three electors (I decided to expand my borders with the Germans to encompass the Rhineland&Low Countries and no further). Dow the Palatinate directly unless Austria allied three vassalizable ones (preferably none of which are Brandenburg or Saxony), dow Savoy instead if that's the case. You want to be at war with Austria during the next election to put the final nail in the coffin, and have mil tech 7 + defensive ideas 2 + french ideas 2 for optimum army strength&composition so that you can take what Austria and Burgundy will throw at you in quick succession. The thing is, just getting to the pre-emperor point took me 44 years on my 3rd attempt (Austria got a PU on Castile in the 2nd one. And it was going so well.) Still, if you did this, you will have united France and become the HRE AND inherited Burgundy. It's BBB time.
This quick succession of wars France declared on Austria and then Burgundy are nowadays known as the 12 years war (on account of how it lasted for 10 years, just like the 7 years war which lasted 9. I just thought it would take me all the way up to the deadline where the event no longer fires and I got used to how "12 years war" sounds), where the King of France is reputed to have ordered his soldiers to " bring him the head of the dukes of Burgundy and Austria", starting literal headhunts across these countries the mere length of which would have strained France enough to cause mass revolts had the wars lasted any longer. The success in this war directly led to France's consolidation of all of Carolingia, inheriting the thrones of both of its most dangerous enemies for the last century.
The deed is done, and it definitely works that way. First the event for France fires, then the event for the Emperor, and you inherit both halves of Burgundy. The final runaway vassal of ours is back in the fold... well, except for England. I've basically won before the 1500s. Though I take my previous point back, time IS a huge constraint.
Here is how I did it: Take whatever you can from England, ally and RM Castile (they'll most likely backstab you but you have a chance of PUing them if the royal marriage keeps up and you'll need a good ally in the future), then attack Provence and take Barrois as well as both provinces in Lorraine. Start claiming Pfalz and release Lorraine as a vassal when you hit 10%. Whenever you feel safe enough anywhere up until this time, dow brittany and concede to release all your vassals (except Lorraine of course) at 100% warscore so they can't refuse your offer of peace. This will temporarily weaken you, but you will be able to annex all of these in one go 5 years later as you have cores on them. Do guarantee anyone bordering Burgundy, they are strong enough as is. Valid strategy for Azur Semé de Lys d'Or btw. You want to vassalize three electors (I decided to expand my borders with the Germans to encompass the Rhineland&Low Countries and no further). Dow the Palatinate directly unless Austria allied three vassalizable ones (preferably none of which are Brandenburg or Saxony), dow Savoy instead if that's the case. You want to be at war with Austria during the next election to put the final nail in the coffin, and have mil tech 7 + defensive ideas 2 + french ideas 2 for optimum army strength&composition so that you can take what Austria and Burgundy will throw at you in quick succession. The thing is, just getting to the pre-emperor point took me 44 years on my 3rd attempt (Austria got a PU on Castile in the 2nd one. And it was going so well.) Still, if you did this, you will have united France and become the HRE AND inherited Burgundy. It's BBB time.
This quick succession of wars France declared on Austria and then Burgundy are nowadays known as the 12 years war (on account of how it lasted for 10 years, just like the 7 years war which lasted 9. I just thought it would take me all the way up to the deadline where the event no longer fires and I got used to how "12 years war" sounds), where the King of France is reputed to have ordered his soldiers to " bring him the head of the dukes of Burgundy and Austria", starting literal headhunts across these countries the mere length of which would have strained France enough to cause mass revolts had the wars lasted any longer. The success in this war directly led to France's consolidation of all of Carolingia, inheriting the thrones of both of its most dangerous enemies for the last century.
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You can become emperor in the first 15ish years without fail. First war: vassalize 3 electors, release styria. Second war, take 2 province from Austria, sell to Bohemia (even if they wont buy, just hold on to them for 5 years and resell back to Austria after they are vassalized). Third War vassalize Austria -> emperor. I usually do this, because old boy habsburg has the tendency to life for 60-70 years every damn time for me.