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Yeah, after Germany launched yet another war of agression against it. I'd say that the ones who were in their right to be paranoid about their borders' integrity were not the Germans, but the Russians.
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the how doesn't take away from the what, a big guy that everyone tries to tackle before he has his shoes on is still a big guy
if I recall correctly then part of the reason brittain apeased the germans is because they planned on german assistence against the soviets
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And? Are we now justifying the launching of "preventive" wars? In both cases the ones who launched the wars were the Germans, not the Russians. If we consider "prevention" as a valid reason for starting wars, then it's pointless to talk of "blame" in either case. Hence, it would've been perfectly okay for Poland and France to invade Germany in 1933 or 1934, or for the USSR to invade Poland in the b1930s, et cetera. All in the name of prevention.
I'm not justifying anything, I'm just saying that I can understand the why they did it
I don't understand this - you're talking about pre-WWII? As far as I'm aware, Britain had no expectation of conflict with the Soviet Union.
I think the British were definitely worried about the Soviet Union as a growing rival, but the poster you replied to seems to be making the same mistake the Nazis made, in taking that line of thought too far. The U.K. may have hedged its bets in such a way to account for a growing USSR, but there was no way they would join hands with the Germans to fight the Bolsheviks in a glorious crusade.
I mean even if they really really hated the USSR, such a move would strengthen the Germans position immensely, and that was unacceptable for the British.
From reading the British government's archives from 1936-39, they weren't the slightest bit worried about a war with the Soviet Union, and had no plans for such a war. Their assessment of Soviet military power was that in an offensive war, they wouldn't be able to deploy more than about 30 divisions without their economy collapsing.
(Hitler, of course, made a similar underestimate of the USSR's military power; but it was more serious in his case because he actually was planning to invade them.)
Inasmuch as they were worried about the Soviets at all, it was their propaganda and covert support stirring up revolution elsewhere that scared them; and maybe the possibility of the Soviets invading one of the tiny countries around their periphery (which would be about all their army could handle).
That's why, in the summer of 1939 when they were trying to construct an anti-Nazi alliance in Eastern Europe and discovered that Poland would flatly refuse to be part of the same alliance as the USSR, they decided it would be more valuable to get Poland on board.
(Hitler, of course, made a similar underestimate of the USSR's military power; but it was more serious in his case because he actually was planning to invade them.)
Inasmuch as they were worried about the Soviets at all, it was their propaganda and covert support stirring up revolution elsewhere that scared them; and maybe the possibility of the Soviets invading one of the tiny countries around their periphery (which would be about all their army could handle).
That's why, in the summer of 1939 when they were trying to construct an anti-Nazi alliance in Eastern Europe and discovered that Poland would flatly refuse to be part of the same alliance as the USSR, they decided it would be more valuable to get Poland on board.
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They were at least a year late actually. If they didn't show a finger to Czechoslovakia and some way forced them and Poland to mutually cooperate, maybe involving also Romania or Hungary, there wouldn't be the WW2 at all...
Seems like a balanced representation of main WW I participants. Obviously Italian campaign looks a bit odd one out, but I guess developers wanted to showcase one of the minor players among good guys.
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I wonder why there isn't a serbian campaign
it has the perfect formula, first missions succes against the austrians in 1914, massive downturn in 1915 when the german-austrian-bulgarian armies storm through serbia and occupy it while there's a flight through albania
and then later action on the salonica front before a victory over the central powers
Its for the mass market and that market gives a dam about obscure countries like Serbia or Romania.
Personally I find it more weird that there is no Rusian soldier involved.
Personally I find it more weird that there is no Rusian soldier involved.
haven't you heard, russia is the bad guy now
also apparantly the only thing people learn about russia in ww1 is that it got it's ass handed to itself at tannenberg and later surrendered, that's it
I thought that my sarcasm about blatant anglo-american centrism was obvious, but apparently not
Also I would more compare it to a Obama being killed by a North Korean, I am pretty sure this would cause the Americans to invade regardless of pressure from the Chinese.
North Korea is a police state so a terrorist group couldn't organize there without government backing. So it's a bad example.
A much better example would be Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 attacks. The Saudi government didn't back the actions of it's citizens and helped the US arrest them. The notion that the US would have invaded Saudi Arabia over 9/11 is absurd.
Another example would be the invasion of Iraq. Although the pretext was WMDs, there certainly was an element of Bush trying to imply the Iraqis had something to do with 9/11. And the world condemned the invasion of Iraq as being on a flimsy pretext.
A much better example would be Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 attacks. The Saudi government didn't back the actions of it's citizens and helped the US arrest them. The notion that the US would have invaded Saudi Arabia over 9/11 is absurd.
Another example would be the invasion of Iraq. Although the pretext was WMDs, there certainly was an element of Bush trying to imply the Iraqis had something to do with 9/11. And the world condemned the invasion of Iraq as being on a flimsy pretext.