Germany should receive an expansion pack before Romania

[Gefallener_Held]

"Germany should receive an expansion pack before Romania" suggests that Romania is getting an expansion pack all to itself.

If that is how you read things, that is on you. The plain meaning of what I wrote simply does not assert that it is only about Romania.

To redirect, my point is simply this. We have not heard a peep in over a month. And the emphasis on the first DD was Romania, not other things that are far more pressing. Note the word emphasis. Again, other matters were touched upon briefly, but they were not the emphasis, as they damn well should be. That seems to be an eminently reasonable position to take, and yet a whole lot of people have a problem with it. So be it.

 

[ringhloth]

If that is how you read things, that is on you. The plain meaning of what I wrote simply does not assert that it is only about Romania.

To redirect, my point is simply this. We have not heard a peep in over a month. And the emphasis on the first DD was Romania, not other things that are far more pressing. Note the word emphasis. Again, other matters were touched upon briefly, but they were not the emphasis, as they damn well should be. That seems to be an eminently reasonable position to take, and yet a whole lot of people have a problem with it. So be it.

If everyone reads what you said in the wrong way, perhaps you said it in the wrong way. The reason why it's unreasonable is that the first DD of an expansion is often not fully indicative of what will be in the expansion. Again, EU4's first dev diaries for MoH were about the Ages, and people howled and moaned about how we were getting another eurocentric DLC. Obviously, that turned out not to be the case.

 

[safe-keeper]

"Germany should receive an expansion pack before Romania" suggests that Romania is getting an expansion pack all to itself.

Germany also technically did get an expansion before Romania, given that it was a major country with its own unique features at launch, long before changes to Romania were even announced .

 

[safe-keeper]

If that is how you read things, that is on you. The plain meaning of what I wrote simply does not assert that it is only about Romania.

To redirect, my point is simply this. We have not heard a peep in over a month. And the emphasis on the first DD was Romania, not other things that are far more pressing. Note the word emphasis. Again, other matters were touched upon briefly, but they were not the emphasis, as they damn well should be. That seems to be an eminently reasonable position to take, and yet a whole lot of people have a problem with it. So be it.

Fair enough, "we are working on AI and bug fixes and we will tell you more when we can" could have been the beginning of the DD, not a note the end. The DD should have started with a few paragraphs on how they were hard at work on a slew of 1.4 issues and features, including AI, and that these would be elaborated on once the devs actually had something to report.

Then they could've spent some paragraphs addressing actual player complaints on TfV and the game in general, and then I suppose they could've dedicated only 50% of the DD to Romania.

That way it would've been clear to everoyne that...

Oh, wait... they did just that. My bad.

 

[REDDQ]

PS: I also bet (as this is an axis expansion) that we will see Waffen SS units this time around. Hopefully with good mechanics behind it. Like volunteers depending on what nations Germany has occupied/allied with and more.

Hmmm... it would be pretty "crazy" if company with so strick rules about content would suddenly add SS


Imho there should be more generic mechanic behind it. Divisions we mark elite should take waaaaaay longer to train and suck the most experienced soldiers from all of your armies (as I believe was the case with WaffenSS). You couldn't make too much of them because they would lower the general effectiveness of the regular army.

 

[Opanashc]

Yeah I'm pretty sure people just want more flavor (bring back automatic unique division names!) which is something that's pretty badly needed in general.

Create a template, name it "SS Panzer division" - now you have division. You want special names, like Viking and such? Spend 30 seconds to rename the division manually.

 

[Dalwin]

So read the news about the DLC, even responded to it. It is nice that Romania gets its own nf tree but things are still not correct for Germany. Just some things off the top of my head.

Bismarck was laid down in July 1936. Scharnhorst, Gneisenau are also not accurately portrayed.

Battle of the Atlantic is totally broken. Type VII was also developed in 1936, but it is a 1940 technology in game. Germany also had mid and long range submarines, something not at all depicted in the game. Fix the naval game and the Battle in Atlantic in particular with a correct, historical line of German uboats.

The 88 Flak gun is also not represented in game as it works as both an excellent flak gun and excellent tank killer years ahead of its time.


There are also inaccuracies or need of work for some of the models.

A lot of these concepts were portrayed in the Dies Irae mod but for some reason not carried over. This sort of revamp would sell a lot more stuff than DLC for New Zealand or Romania. What say you?

What I think you miss entirely with your post is the concept that the equipment names in HOI are only flavor names and always have been. None of the units are directly patterned after specific equipment or ships or vehicles. They design the units to get the general feel they want with how armor/infantry/planes/ships and so on interact with each other. Everything is very generic. The names are tacked on at the last minute to increase immersion.

Because of this, whether one likes this design approach or not, your list has no impact whatsoever on any version in the Hearts of Iron franchise. It would have been more germane to have criticized the size of the gap in statisitcs between various 1936 and 1940 models than to have complained about what bears which names.

 

[Gefallener_Held]

If everyone reads what you said in the wrong way, perhaps you said it in the wrong way. The reason why it's unreasonable is that the first DD of an expansion is often not fully indicative of what will be in the expansion. Again, EU4's first dev diaries for MoH were about the Ages, and people howled and moaned about how we were getting another eurocentric DLC. Obviously, that turned out not to be the case.

While a majority of people are dogpiling it seems, I also did receive a fair amount of agrees. You know, I tried to provide a way to clear up any misunderstanding, but you and your little band are doubling down.

Just remember, this dogpiling is defending a very incomplete game, even thought it has been a year.

 

[Gefallener_Held]

What I think you miss entirely with your post is the concept that the equipment names in HOI are only flavor names and always have been. None of the units are directly patterned after specific equipment or ships or vehicles. They design the units to get the general feel they want with how armor/infantry/planes/ships and so on interact with each other. Everything is very generic. The names are tacked on at the last minute to increase immersion.

Because of this, whether one likes this design approach or not, your list has no impact whatsoever on any version in the Hearts of Iron franchise. It would have been more germane to have criticized the size of the gap in statisitcs between various 1936 and 1940 models than to have complained about what bears which names.

That in itself is a problem and one that should be fixed. Whether that means revamping the models from the 36 to 40 paradigm, giving German a unique research tree or creating national focuses correct things is open for debate. Names being tacked on at the last minute is putting it quite correctly, which again suggests that I am right.

 

[Dalwin]

That in itself is a problem and one that should be fixed. Whether that means revamping the models from the 36 to 40 paradigm, giving German a unique research tree or creating national focuses correct things is open for debate. Names being tacked on at the last minute is putting it quite correctly, which again suggests that I am right.

After 4 versions of the game and almost 15 years this cannot be called a problem needing to be fixed. It is one of the fundamental design philosophies of the franchise. I personally don't like the generic nature and flavor name approach, but it is what it is and will never be "fixed".

One either has to move past that concept and focus on what good things HOI does offer or move on to another game altogether.

 

[Had a dad]

Creating a thread does not make it to OK to troll / callout / belittle everyone non stop that disagrees with you.

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