Germany should receive an expansion pack before Romania

[Gefallener_Held]

So read the news about the DLC, even responded to it. It is nice that Romania gets its own nf tree but things are still not correct for Germany. Just some things off the top of my head.

Bismarck was laid down in July 1936. Scharnhorst, Gneisenau are also not accurately portrayed.

Battle of the Atlantic is totally broken. Type VII was also developed in 1936, but it is a 1940 technology in game. Germany also had mid and long range submarines, something not at all depicted in the game. Fix the naval game and the Battle in Atlantic in particular with a correct, historical line of German uboats.

The 88 Flak gun is also not represented in game as it works as both an excellent flak gun and excellent tank killer years ahead of its time.


There are also inaccuracies or need of work for some of the models.

A lot of these concepts were portrayed in the Dies Irae mod but for some reason not carried over. This sort of revamp would sell a lot more stuff than DLC for New Zealand or Romania. What say you?

 

[schonherr]

Totally agree. Also should recover the OOB. Korps..Armys..Armeekorps..The Waffen SS...Panzer Divisions Lehr..etc and lot of events for inmerse. Dies Irae made my day in that time... HOI4 is not the great game expected to be....

 

[Admiral Piett]

Naval tech and the portrayal of vessels designed and/or built before 1936 are completely out of whack in the game. It isn't just Germany.

 

[Bloodshok]

I do agree the majors need to be top priority. A regular Axis DLC with more content for Germany, Italy, and Japan would be great. I think theyve realized how many people actually play as Germany, and I think Italy might be next in terms of playtime, and im kind of afraid we will get to the point where Uruguay is going to have a better focus tree than Italy.

 

[ringhloth]

I'm fine with minors getting focus trees. Still, as they mentioned, DLC needs to also impact playing as a major.

 

[Temudhun Khan]

... You guys do realise this is only ONE dd and it doesn't depict the whole content of the dlc, right? Aside from the many new mechanics and other new fleshed out countries, we will most probably get some stuff for Germany especially since it's an AXIS dlc and Podcat insisted on the fact that Germany is the star of Hearts of Iron.

By the way, while I also think Germany needs to be fixed in many ways, I also think many of them such as fixes to the technologies and focus trees should come in the patches rather than the paid dlc contents.

 

[Gefallener_Held]

To the five people who "[not so] respectfully disagree," I challenge you to actually set forth the reasons why you think I am wrong. Not the reasons I am wrong, because I am right, but the reasons you people think I am wrong.

I do not think this matter is anything reasonable minds can disagree about it.

 

[NightKev]

They probably disagreed because you didn't even bother to read the DD which mentioned that they obviously need to make sure their DLCs have plenty of focus on majors (like Germany) and so they're going to do just that.

So that was the first big lesson: new content needs to tie back to major countries, particularly Germany. Thankfully, we had already decided that our next DLC should focus more on the Axis, so we wouldn’t have to try too hard to come up with reasons why Germany should be involved.

 

[Gefallener_Held]

They probably disagreed because you didn't even bother to read the DD which mentioned that they obviously need to make sure their DLCs have plenty of focus on majors (like Germany) and so they're going to do just that.

And yet I read a whole lot about Romania, and nothing overhauling Germany as I have outlined, however so briefly.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

They probably disagreed because you didn't even bother to read the DD which mentioned that they obviously need to make sure their DLCs have plenty of focus on majors (like Germany) and so they're going to do just that.

This. It is already an Axis expansion pack and the op is saying it needs to be scaled back and reduced to a Germany-only expansion, screw the extra Axis minor nation flavor that finished early enough to get into the initial dev diary.

 

[Number 7]

the game needs to take a few expansions to focus almost exclusively on the majors. Germany and Italy first, then over to USA/Japan for the pacific one that hopefully fixes the naval stuff etc.

Axis version of TFV is how to make an incredibly dull expansion that fixes nothing. WW2 is about the majors primarily, not the minors. Player data even agrees as podcat admitted in the last dev diary. Please, paradox needs to ignore the minors and have them benefit from the overhauling of the majors and the game mechanics. Once the majors are sorted out they can go make focus trees for new zealand and romania

 

[Stolen Rutters]

And yet I read a whole lot about Romania, and nothing overhauling Germany as I have outlined, however so briefly.

Operation oak, the German rescue of Mussolini.

To the five people who "[not so] respectfully disagree," I challenge you to actually set forth the reasons why you think I am wrong. Not the reasons I am wrong, because I am right, but the reasons you people think I am wrong.

I do not think this matter is anything reasonable minds can disagree about it.

What I disagree with is your insistence on narrow smaller DLC focused on one aspect of the central player country in the game.

From this dev diary you read Romania. I read a lessons learned.

One, they upgraded the commonwealth. Added focus trees. What they saw was that was all well and good but neighbors were all generic. So to impact a major, they are adding more fleshed out neighbors... Romania is Germany's neighbor, once Poland is dead at least.

Two, bigger stuff takes more time. They will release info as things finish. By definition the minor stuff takes less time so they are likely to get the early reveals.

Edit -stupid small screen I wasn't done
Three, they mention Germany will get something more often, since so many people play them. My guess is big stuff, revealed later, because it takes longer to finish, will impact Germany more than small stuff.

Four, they mention air war is getting a big workover. Sounds like Germany to me again.

I get he didn't say Germany at every turn.

 

[NightKev]

And yet I read a whole lot about Romania, and nothing overhauling Germany as I have outlined, however so briefly.

And yet you clearly missed the part where they said "we talk about things that are finished in dev diaries" and clearly Romania is finished (and probably didn't take too long compared to the rest of the expansion). Would you rather they post about half-finished mechanics that might even change by release (thus making the DD completely useless)?

 

[hkrommel]

So read the news about the DLC, even responded to it. It is nice that Romania gets its own nf tree but things are still not correct for Germany

So that was the first big lesson: new content needs to tie back to major countries, particularly Germany. Thankfully, we had already decided that our next DLC should focus more on the Axis, so we wouldn’t have to try too hard to come up with reasons why Germany should be involved.

They don't talk about everything that will be in the expansion in one dev diary (indeed it would be a pretty crappy expansion if that was a possibility). This seems a lot like what podcat talks about where people complain when they don't get updates, but they also complain about the updates when they do get them.

Complaining about Germany not being in the DLC is pointless because they're probably in the DLC but weren't covered in this particular DD. Give the devs a chance to actually create the damn thing before berating it.

 

[Gefallener_Held]

And yet you clearly missed the part where they said "we talk about things that are finished in dev diaries" and clearly Romania is finished (and probably didn't take too long compared to the rest of the expansion). Would you rather they post about half-finished mechanics that might even change by release (thus making the DD completely useless)?

So in other words, it is only SPECULATIVE that the grievances I raise, which are doubtlessly shared by others, will be resolved. I will adjust accordingly once things are confirmed. Until then, it behooves all of us to keep the pressure on.

 

[ringhloth]

So in other words, it is only SPECULATIVE that the grievances I raise, which are doubtlessly shared by others, will be resolved. I will adjust accordingly once things are confirmed. Until then, it behooves all of us to keep the pressure on.

There is no "pressure." Paradox listens to us, but almost all of the design work has probably been done, and they're just fitting the puzzle pieces into place. It's silly to complain that there is going to be a Romania focused DLC when there's been one DD released. Look at EU4: People in the early golden age threads howled and moaned that the east was continually being ignored for eurocentric mechanics. Then the DLC turns out to be called Mandate of Heaven.

 

[albso437]

So read the news about the DLC, even responded to it. It is nice that Romania gets its own nf tree but things are still not correct for Germany. Just some things off the top of my head.

I don't see the contradiction of Germany getting some love AND Romania getting a NF tree.

Can't we have both?

 

[Nevrion]

I think a lot of people don't understand, that the DD from yesterday is only a first small piece of further announcements. So just let us stay patient. There is no reason to freak out, because Podcat also mentioned Romania.

 

[Johuotar]

Some of the majors do need focus tree rework, some quite small or the choices are not interesting or balanced.

 

[Number 7]

I think a lot of people don't understand, that the DD from yesterday is only a first small piece of further announcements. So just let us stay patient. There is no reason to freak out, because Podcat also mentioned Romania.

the point is the timing. People have been losing faith and consistently disappointed, theres been AI after AI thread, so many issues popping up. Devs pushed out TFV which let down a lot of people, didn't even cover nations people actually play except a minority, acknowledged by podcat himself.

Finally, after seven weeks of radio silence, the first message is "Romania".

Everyone fully understands there will be future announcements, but this dev diary, the breaking of radio silence after 7 weeks of a game that so many people are not happy with set the tone. people are responding to that.