I'm pretty sure it's also been broken since the NSB update. The generals you are supposed to get before the civil war are bugged.
Germany needs another rework since Waking the Tiger.
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Older DLC and base game contents desperately need to be reworked, rebalanced and to be put at the same level of detail as the new content.
I'm hoping for something like Stellaris' custodian team to focus on the dev-forsaken bits of the game and finally make HoI4 overall a bit more self-coherent.
I'm hoping for something like Stellaris' custodian team to focus on the dev-forsaken bits of the game and finally make HoI4 overall a bit more self-coherent.
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Gotta admit it's entertaining seeing several people with Wehrmacht general avatars disagreeing with my comments.
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This is something game have desperetly been needing. A lot of cool stuff that just doesn't work well or wont' go well with new features. For example people have wanted balancing updates on doctrines ever since release.
Also again not asking smarter ai but that ai would more optimically play given mechanics. Ai should make aa, at, not sack ships with small fleets, make updated ships. They should try to shift production towards tanks and mechanized divisions. Why not have ai also make dedicated defensive and offensive divisions?
Just polish everything and that really would make people happy.
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Only that Habsburg Poland is probably the least unrealistic out of the things you mentioned. There is at least some degree of history to it, especially when we go by the "ingame lore" of reconvening the Regency Council, as the father of Karol Olbracht and he himself were considered to be placed on the throne but this failed for multiple reasons.
Was it unlikely? Yes, very much so. But the unlikeliest path was reconvening the Regency Council in the first place. Realistically the Sanacja staying in power was the only true historic outcome.
Anyhow, just because it sounds memey because "haha habsburgs xddd" does not mean this needs to be brought up anytime some people reee about unrealistic stuff in HoI and it is arguably more likely to have him on the throne than House Wettin, yet nobody is talking about that huh.
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I think a few finishing touches on Germany would be nice. Mostly increasing synergy with other reworked countries, as of now, Germany is not integrated into the landscape of up-to-date HOI4 very well.
Then there's the question of who'd become Kaiser in the alt-history branches. The line of succession was clear of course, but there was a discussion historically, who should even be the candidate in case of a restauration. It would be absolutely great if the player would get an event to choose the new Kaiser upon completing either "Return of the Kaiser" or "The Monarchy Compromise". The resistance around Beck and Stauffenberg in 1944 favoured Louis-Ferdinand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Ferdinand,_Prince_of_Prussia) a son of Crown Prince Wilhelm to become head of state. Mostly because his brother Prince Wilhelm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Wilhelm_of_Prussia_(1906–1940)) had died in battle in 1940.
This event could be a strategic decision. Wilhelm II. comes with considerable in-game upside, but a diplomatic fallout, The Crown Prince has a lower upside. Prince Wilhelm had a military background, he could have a trait like "The Young Eagle: +5% Stability, +5% War support" or something like that. His brother Prince Louis-Ferdinand could have something like "The Compromise Candidate: +5% Stability, monthly gain for non-aligned or democracy", Louis-Ferdinand was also unmarried until 1938, when he married a member of the Romanov Dynasty. I think a lot could be gained here with minimal effort.
Then there's the question of who'd become Kaiser in the alt-history branches. The line of succession was clear of course, but there was a discussion historically, who should even be the candidate in case of a restauration. It would be absolutely great if the player would get an event to choose the new Kaiser upon completing either "Return of the Kaiser" or "The Monarchy Compromise". The resistance around Beck and Stauffenberg in 1944 favoured Louis-Ferdinand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Ferdinand,_Prince_of_Prussia) a son of Crown Prince Wilhelm to become head of state. Mostly because his brother Prince Wilhelm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Wilhelm_of_Prussia_(1906–1940)) had died in battle in 1940.
This event could be a strategic decision. Wilhelm II. comes with considerable in-game upside, but a diplomatic fallout, The Crown Prince has a lower upside. Prince Wilhelm had a military background, he could have a trait like "The Young Eagle: +5% Stability, +5% War support" or something like that. His brother Prince Louis-Ferdinand could have something like "The Compromise Candidate: +5% Stability, monthly gain for non-aligned or democracy", Louis-Ferdinand was also unmarried until 1938, when he married a member of the Romanov Dynasty. I think a lot could be gained here with minimal effort.
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I think they could expand a lot of the monarchism paths for Germany. Why does the emperor have to be Prussian? An alternative German monarch would be stellar, with unique focuses depending on the region of Germany they come from. Or perhaps in order to restore the empire you would need to capture Paris and hold a second proclamation at Versailles? That would be metal.
Also a communist path for Germany could be unique and interesting and could be made to balance the rest of the game. Another "Unholy Alliance" or perhaps significant internal challenges to overcome such as rooting out NDSAP and other conservative German opposition as well as Allied intervention. I think putting a socialist Germany on the defensive would be really cool.
Also a communist path for Germany could be unique and interesting and could be made to balance the rest of the game. Another "Unholy Alliance" or perhaps significant internal challenges to overcome such as rooting out NDSAP and other conservative German opposition as well as Allied intervention. I think putting a socialist Germany on the defensive would be really cool.
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Always entertaining to see irrelevant comments like this....
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Was there any serious candidate for the Kaiser other than a Hohenzollern? The Habsburgs are out, Wittelsbach too regional, and the rest of the German aristocracy too insignificant.
And by 1936, I cannot see a successful socialist revolt in Germany. Hitler managed to take back the Saarland and institute military sovereignty, fulfilling his promises of reverting the Versailles treaty, just in the past few months.
He got rid of organized left wing opposition, increased public spending for public housing and infrastructure, reduced unemployment...
Not much reason to stage a workers' revolt. Especially with an army loyal to Hitler, not the old Reichswehr.
(And I know fully well that Hitler's successes of that time were short lived mirages, but I think in spring 1936, not many would have seen it that way).
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I agree that by the start of the game, global socialism is not happening in Germany.
But if we had started, say, just after the great war or just as the depression hit, then things could have gone much different. In those scenarios, communism is an option. I don't know how the odds are between national and global, but the Weimar Republis was very weak, so the odds of it continuing were small.
So it's a question of how much we want to chain ourselves to the specific start date and how much we want to be open to alternate history. Personally, I would be prepared to gloss over the events of '33-'35 in favour of allowing broader play.
No, the Hohenzollern were always the first and only real choice. (Of course there also was a push to reinstate the monarchies of the member states, like Bavaria, Saxony and so on, but neither of those was supposed to be a nationwide monarch). That being said, German monarchists faced the problem that many of them considered both Wilhelm II. and his son, the Crown Prince, to be wholly inadequate candidates and the sons of the Crown prince were viewed as being too young. That's why Hindenburg always, until his death, maintained that the monarchy should be reinstated at some point in the future without saying when. He was unwilling to help restore Wilhelm II. to the throne and unwilling to breach the line of succession. For that reason, the idea of a regency was thrown around. Hindenburg was of course a candidate to be that regent and in 1931/32 Heinrich Brüning toyed with the idea of asking one of the Dukes of Mecklenburg (I think the same guy that was supposed to rule the United Baltic Duchy in 1918) to become regent.
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Don't get me wrong, I can live with the military civil war by imagining the 33-35 period had played out differently, but the socialists were the first victims of the new Germany. So, for a commie path, I would have to set the game date much earlier, perhaps 1923 or at least 1929.
Germany can beat USSR too easy. I suggest if Germany wins then a peace conference should be initiated with everything up for grabs as usual behind the archangelsk-that other A place. But USSR survives beyond the urals and sponsors resistance within the territory germany grabs or puppets.
The ottoman restoration route can be pretty easily adapted to this (or most anything actually): the communists are elected after democracy is restored. Most interestingly, IMHO, it would involve cycling through every form of government in the game.
I think a small disjunctive modification could be inserted in the German democratic path, for example, it was possible to reinstate a republic as a historical step or the currently predefined path of a parliamentary monarchy
I believe the only reason Britain doesn't guarantee China in historical is because the Chinese United Front forms. The AI is scripted not to form it if Japan goes communist.
Once Italy is reworked all the majors will have seen at least one round of improvement.
I hope from there the Devs balances the game around the 7-8 majors (if you count China), or at least the “Big 4” of the US, USSR, UK and Germany and all of their alt history paths. The other powers and China should react to balance out how the big 4 align the best they can, and from there lesser powers should fill in the gaps. Ideally there should be some accounting for a new Great Power like A-H emerging.
They started this process way back with WTT, where a player Germany going one direction would lead to France and UK going another. Ideally now that USSR, UK and USA got changes, it is possible for Germany to not be the only driving actor of the international conflict - that way the game can remain dynamic in different scenarios
I hope from there the Devs balances the game around the 7-8 majors (if you count China), or at least the “Big 4” of the US, USSR, UK and Germany and all of their alt history paths. The other powers and China should react to balance out how the big 4 align the best they can, and from there lesser powers should fill in the gaps. Ideally there should be some accounting for a new Great Power like A-H emerging.
They started this process way back with WTT, where a player Germany going one direction would lead to France and UK going another. Ideally now that USSR, UK and USA got changes, it is possible for Germany to not be the only driving actor of the international conflict - that way the game can remain dynamic in different scenarios
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What about a revolt in Bavaria against the NDSAP that culminates in the claimant to the Bavarian throne claim the German throne? Like rather than there be a monarchist camp so to be speak, a regional revolt breaks out that evolves into a monarchist camp? Then that monarch, in order to be legitimate, would have to capture Paris to proclaim a new German Empire united under a different German line? I feel its as realistic as a Franco-Spanish union lol
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