Germany needs another rework since Waking the Tiger.

[FlyingMonkeysCommander]

I know you guys read the title of this discussion and like 'Is this guy a fucking Wehraboo?'

Well let me explain:
The Entwicklung series is the number of tank variants going from the light tank destroyer to the E-100 super-heavy tank. I want either a little focus tree or a single national focus relating to the development of the E-series under Army Innovations II, but I want this single focus or little focus tree be ready for use if it was 1944. If 1941 Light, 1943 Medium, 1943 Heavy, Super-Heavy tank chassis, Engine IV, Armor IV, and Advanced tank guns are researched, then you'll have each E-series tank variants and the production cost and reliability bonus since they're designed to be mass produced.

Germany can still go communist, but will face serious consequences within Germany like losing the best German generals, losing stability, and even risking going into another German Civil War and have the Soviet Union send volunteers to help you win. The event will trigger if the second German Civil War happens and will say something like a reference to Star Wars: Phantom Menace "This is getting out of hand, now there's a second German Civil War!". Also you wouldn't be friends with Russia since Joseph Stalin wants influence over Europe and seeing you going communist is the chance to expand their influence. You can either risk being a puppet of the Soviet Union through the focus tree and fiddle your country or stay free from Joseph Stalin's unwashed hands and create your own sphere of influence in Europe. If Stalin is overthrown and replaced with another communist leader, then you can create a faction with them via national focus and cause mayhem across the globe through revolutions. You can even create a tank variant through the communist German armored focus tree (see E-Series about little focus tree) by creating a license version of T-34 and increase trade deal with non-Stalin leaded communist Russia for resources and help make the Autobahn in Russia.

Also I can't take this much hate myself but is it obvious to allow Germany form the German Confederation as the formable nation?! I want this to happen and it's infuriating for Paradox to not see the obvious. No map changes required to form this Confederation, even in the next DLC where Italy is getting all the love obviously. It doesn't even need a single national focus to form this since it can only happen in decisions tab as usual. Even though this is OP, I want to see this happen.

I am unsure what else that can be added into Germany but that's up to Paradox to decide.

 

[onboardbasil]

A communist path could branch out from the already existing "Oppose Hitler" branch. Maybe instead of getting Mackensen you could get someone like Thälmann as leader. I'm surprised that Japan got a communist tree before Germany considering that the communists in Germany had fairly large base and there even being a history of communist uprisings in the country after WW1.

Germany can still go communist, but will face serious consequences within Germany like losing the best German generals, losing stability, and even risking going into another German Civil War and have the Soviet Union send volunteers to help you win.

The civil war could be different from the monarchist/democratic one where instead of getting a leader with large buffs, you could receive international brigade divisions similar to Spain. More generals would probably be purged compared to the monarchist/democratic path, but it could be countered with some buffs similar to other communist focus trees (more manpower, industry buffs, ect).

You can either risk being a puppet of the Soviet Union through the focus tree and fiddle your country or stay free from Joseph Stalin's unwashed hands and create your own sphere of influence in Europe.

I don't see why you need to be puppeted by the Soviets considering most communist trees don't have this happen other than Spain or Poland and even then it's because of the large soviet influence in those countries. Maybe if you ask for lots of help during the civil war then there will be some short debuff, but puppeting just wouldn't be enjoyable from a gameplay perspective. If you were puppeted, maybe make it easier to gain independence through focuses similar to Spain or Poland.


There could be a Stalin aligned path where the leader is Thälmann or Ulbricht. Perhaps there could be a way of deciding what leader takes power depending on your choices similar to the opposition path for the Soviets. Thälmann and Ulbricht had a bit of a power struggle, but both were close with the Soviets.
I'm unsure what a non-Stalin aligned path would have as leader, but I pretty sure there were some in the KPD who would fit the role.

 

[Zauberelefant]

A communist coup in Germany has been ruled out by devs as a) messing up the timeline for the ai, which depends a bit on Germany being an imperialist power turning on its neighbours b) being ridiculously unlikely - not that it stopped them from Japanese communist revolution or a second US civil war, but combined with a) is good cause to drop it.

I do not see the need for a focus dedicated to the E-series, as those weren't built - so no argument that in game, Germany should be able to research them faster than others. And the standardized designs are covered by the industry efficiency research.

Only thing Germany really needs is to unlock those SS volounteers, lest you be stuck with Elite, but useless, 9xMEC divisions...

 

[kimidf]

What Germany needs is a great expansion of approaches in the military branch, especially in the Army. Since its terrestrial branch that only has 3 and without any dilemma is currently laughable

In the same way that Russia did not need a democratic branch, I do not think a communist branch is needed in the German tree either.

I also think it could have an exclusive model of assault armor such as the STUG, about the E Models I think that could be inserted in the WunderWaffen dlc

In addition, certain approaches would have to be reviewed, for example, the fate of Czechoslovakia should unlock the Panzer Model 38 T or the approach of the Anglo-German naval treaty could unlock the Bismarck class.

 

[FlyingMonkeysCommander]

A communist coup in Germany has been ruled out by devs as a) messing up the timeline for the ai, which depends a bit on Germany being an imperialist power turning on its neighbours b) being ridiculously unlikely - not that it stopped them from Japanese communist revolution or a second US civil war, but combined with a) is good cause to drop it.

I do not see the need for a focus dedicated to the E-series, as those weren't built - so no argument that in game, Germany should be able to research them faster than others. And the standardized designs are covered by the industry efficiency research.

Only thing Germany really needs is to unlock those SS volounteers, lest you be stuck with Elite, but useless, 9xMEC divisions...

Wait, since when the communist coup is ruled out by the devs?

 

[FlyingMonkeysCommander]

A communist path could branch out from the already existing "Oppose Hitler" branch. Maybe instead of getting Mackensen you could get someone like Thälmann as leader. I'm surprised that Japan got a communist tree before Germany considering that the communists in Germany had fairly large base and there even being a history of communist uprisings in the country after WW1.

So instead of the "Oppose Hitler" focus, it would be something like "Resist the Fascist Purge" since Hitler is trying to get rid of these opponents like communists in Germany.

 

[Zauberelefant]

Wait, since when the communist coup is ruled out by the devs?

In the waking the Tiger DD. It doesn't make much sense due to the kpd being banned and underground with no public support either, due to the game starting 36.

 

[FlyingMonkeysCommander]

In the waking the Tiger DD. It doesn't make much sense due to the kpd being banned and underground with no public support either, due to the game starting 36.

Ah...

 

[BarakiSan]

My main problem with Germany is they lose ever time on historical, they can’t invade Britain without my help, they can’t even approach the US without my help. UK and Japan seem to be invading just fine

 

[Poliut]

Germany could use a few tweaks and reworks. Maybe give them 35DFTs since they seem to be the rage for new FTs now? The Eastern Claims/MRP/DOW focuses can be redone to better fit the historical flow of how those events unfolded.
I also don't get how August von Mackensen's the one who leads the German revolt (but that's just one of many questions I have regarding the events of Oppose Hitler)...

 

[onboardbasil]

In the waking the Tiger DD. It doesn't make much sense due to the kpd being banned and underground with no public support either, due to the game starting 36.

Wait but monarchists taking power makes sense? I mean it's the same situation for Japan, but they have a communist tree.

 

[DerGrößteRitter]

I would like there to be more/more interesting focuses and more flavour.

 

[DerGrößteRitter]

Wait but monarchists taking power makes sense? I mean it's the same situation for Japan, but they have a communist tree.

More sense than the Communists, as there were high ranking members of the military with monarchist sympathies. Not by much though.
The Japanese Communist path is a disgrace, and should not be emulated.

 

[onboardbasil]

More sense than the Communists, as there were high ranking members of the military with monarchist sympathies. Not by much though.
The Japanese Communist path is a disgrace, and should not be emulated.

Well hoi4 is known for alt history. I agree many of the alt history paths make no sense, but communists in Germany is nowhere near as crazy as some of the already existing content.

Habsburgs taking over in Poland, Anarchists winning the civil war, Australia going communist. These are just a few of them.

The devs abandoned the idea of communist Germany the same way the abandoned democratic Russia. They probably could've done both if they had more time.

 

[onboardbasil]

So instead of the "Oppose Hitler" focus, it would be something like "Resist the Fascist Purge" since Hitler is trying to get rid of these opponents like communists in Germany.

I was thinking more like the civil war would occur the same way it usually does, but a communist path would exist when picking between the monarchy and democratic subbranch. That way the devs wouldn't have to stress over making a separate civil war.

 

[him_15]

In compare to the new SU focus tree, I do agree the Germany focus tree deserves some expansion.

 

[kimidf]

I agree that the game should have alternative paths but these must have a degree of plausibility. And the German communists in 1936 were totally purged from German society and there was no chance that they alone could foment any kind of coup in the same way that there is no chance of a democratic state in Russia.

 

[Mr_Dimento]

In the waking the Tiger DD. It doesn't make much sense due to the kpd being banned and underground with no public support either, due to the game starting 36.

I think times have changed with how ahistorical can really be anything now and a commie path could be possible for Germany

 

[Zauberelefant]

Wait but monarchists taking power makes sense? I mean it's the same situation for Japan, but they have a communist tree.

The Oster conspiracy was a real thing and the higher officers involved were old guard who would have restored the monarchy or even the republic. I see no issue with it on the same level as the other alt history mentioned.
Facing the prospect of French/British Opposition to the Rhineland occupation, the brass knew they didn't have a chance with 35 half equipped, barely trained divisions and no trained reserves, and no Luftwaffe to speak of. Not that they would have necessarily revolted, but at the time, duty to the fatherland *could* have trumped loyalty to Hitler.

 

[PorkchopSandwiches247]

More sense than the Communists, as there were high ranking members of the military with monarchist sympathies. Not by much though.
The Japanese Communist path is a disgrace, and should not be emulated.

Even tossing aside the (lack of) realism of it, its really just an awful path to play.

You lose half your navy to Manchuria in the civil war? Wow, how nice. And for who knows what reason Britain guarantees China in this scenario, so its a nightmare trying to help Communist China claim mainland China, which would have actually been kind of fun.

The foci are just...bad. Not even good for roleplaying.