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Sergeant
Jun 23, 2005
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In my current game the king of germany went to war with the papal states and ended up with the king of papal states title.
However, i cant grab the title from him, and obviously cant usurp it, so, what could i do to get the title from them? It isnt that i want the title to myself, i just dont want him to have it.
is there any way, ingame, to make him drop the title?
thanks.
 
Jul 15, 2005
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AFAIK the title could be deleted in save game. Otherwise you could try to load the savegame as Germany and create the Papal State as if you were creating a bishopric, first create create Bishopric of Roma and then give the Bishop the title King of Papal State, however that may simply translate as "Archbishop of Papal State" and not create a correct Papacy. If that is the case then try to to kill the Archbishop with F12 "die"; i believe the death of the ruler of PAPA is hardcoded to trigger off a new Pontifical election.
 
May 31, 2004
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I just had the same thing happen. The problem can be resolved by going in as Germany and appointing an appropriate Bishop of Roma, then granting him the King level Papacy title, which will show up as Pope of the Papal States. That'll send him back to Rome, independent of Germany, and the Papacy will function normally.

You'd think that killing the German King would work, since he's now counted as the new Pope, but it'll merely give you an interesting message whereby the Curia elects his successor as the new Pope (talk about twisting their arms).

I had thought that it was impossible to claim the Papacy as a title, as it was with the military orders. Is there an official reason why this has been changed?
 

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Sergeant
Jun 23, 2005
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thanks all.
i think i'll edit the save so i get the claim on the papacy and then wrestle germany out of it. might be very interesting :cool:
Do you know if some troubles can arise from the human player having a claim on it or even having the title?
thanks.
 
May 31, 2004
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AFAIK, although it was ages since I last tried something like this, all that's been disabled in-game is your ability to claim the title. If you mod in a claim, I think you should be able to pursue it as normal and, I believe, acquire the title using it.

Doing that won't cause any problems in itself. If you wanted to steal away with the military order titles then there'd be no problem. Problems might arise by claiming the Pope title because of how the Pope is used in-game by the Papal Controller.

Specifically, that might well mean that if your character, say, King of England is also the Pope and the Papal Controller is the King of Castile, then your prestige is going to be spent by one of your major rivals excommunicating any/all of his major rivals, which might well include you. Since this scenario was never planned for (ie, you're creating a situation that was never supposed to happen), you'll probably find it possible for the AI to force the Pope (you) to excommunicate yourself.

It'll also cause a few odd discrepancies when you try yourself for heresy or demand that you pay yourself indulgences for being sceptical (money which will magically vanish into thin air).

Personally, I don't think it'll add anything to the game to call yourself Pope. What would be fun, though, is to forcibly replace the Pope with your own chosen Pope and then keep an iron grip on the Papal Controllership for a century or so, which will give you all of the benefits of having the Pope on your side with none of the drawbacks associated with actually trying to be him yourself.

But, of course, its your call. Have fun. ;)
 

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Jun 23, 2005
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Woz Early said:
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Specifically, that might well mean that if your character, say, King of England is also the Pope and the Papal Controller is the King of Castile, then your prestige is going to be spent by one of your major rivals excommunicating any/all of his major rivals, which might well include you. Since this scenario was never planned for (ie, you're creating a situation that was never supposed to happen), you'll probably find it possible for the AI to force the Pope (you) to excommunicate yourself.
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thank you, thats a very interesting point you made there.