Germany gets kicked by Poland...!!!

[claudefrog]

Hawo im still in my 1933 scenario. Finally war has come (historical date). I believe i have great techs and land docs level V infantry... I thought this is the equivelant of divs in normal aod that are of 1939 level with up to date land docs etc. Anyway i attakc the poles, and um well i get my ass kicked. they immediately counter and im on the back foot!!! . I have no idea whats happened.... I have probably about 80 divisions... Really confused... I dont know if there is something ive gone wrong with researching or if its a bug. My settings are on hardest ai.. Ive looked in battle mode to see what type divs poland have and they only have level 3-4 divs (mainly 3)... so i know i have better units.. i really have no idea whats happened. Anyone come across this or give us a tip????????????

 

[Conanteacher]

DOCTRINES... In my game as germany i try to have research slightly above 100%
and it is now 1941 and I have not all my army yet inf V. 1/3rd are still inf IV.

I guess you rushed inf V, which means lot of industrial techs, which means low research % and no time to research proper doctrines...

 

[quaazi]

You gotta apply the hotfixes/revisions. Germany has a GDE problem in the first edition.

 

[claudefrog]

hwere do i get this fix? although im pretty sure i dotn have it... but that would make sense... I installed aod with 1.5 patch then installed iron cross... can i have these links pls. i researched so many land docs... i have used the peace economy so i could get more research points... although i am up to reseaching a few better ones now but still i made so many!...

 

[slategrey252]

hwere do i get this fix? although im pretty sure i dotn have it... but that would make sense... I installed aod with 1.5 patch then installed iron cross... can i have these links pls. i researched so many land docs... i have used the peace economy so i could get more research points... although i am up to reseaching a few better ones now but still i made so many!...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?503122-IRON-CROSS-1.00-Revision-2

 

[tigeriii]

hwere do i get this fix? although im pretty sure i dotn have it... but that would make sense... I installed aod with 1.5 patch then installed iron cross... can i have these links pls. i researched so many land docs... i have used the peace economy so i could get more research points... although i am up to reseaching a few better ones now but still i made so many!...

Claudefrog once you install the Revision 2, you cant play the saved game, you have to start over. Well unless you edit the save game file it might work for you. Good luck!

 

[claudefrog]

i was able to go back into it but i still was getting my ass kicked lol. i managed to win a battle where i attacked with 20 divs to poles 7... Maybe i will just restart. But i will be pissed off if it happens again!!!!! Once all the bugs are sorted out this game looks the grouse. The larger map is good and its not laggy like hoi3 was and not as complex but it would be good if things had names of historical dates so you sort of have a more idea on what you need by 39 etc. Also be good when texts dont appear in events that are spanish or some other language.

 

[flowerpunkt]

I never got this kind of problem with Revision 2.

 

[Rocket88]

I guess you rushed inf V, which means lot of industrial techs, which means low research % and no time to research proper doctrines...

+1 to this. The devs seem to have found a way to make tech rushing quite difficult - if you want / need to fight a long war. I found I was down to about 80% research speed by late 1940 [playing Germany] - not a good place to be! Next time round I concentrated prewar on all the 'minor' techs - usually skill level 2 to 4 - and all those 0.3 / 0.5 / 0.7 increases start adding up. The knock-on effect is that you cant have everything you want (or are used to in vanilla Arma etc) as quickly as you like - personally I am enjoying the change of philosophy and the challenges it brings.

 

[Conanteacher]

Thanks. In fact, the only way to "tech rush'" is to research all the 2s and 4s techs which give you speed up then you can research the difficulty 10 INF tech with 120% speed instead of 80%, and also have a few doctrines and brigades already researched!

 

[tigeriii]

The devs seem to have found a way to make tech rushing quite difficult - if you want / need to fight a long war. I found I was down to about 80% research speed by late 1940 [playing Germany] - not a good place to be! Next time round I concentrated prewar on all the 'minor' techs - usually skill level 2 to 4 - and all those 0.3 / 0.5 / 0.7 increases start adding up. The knock-on effect is that you cant have everything you want (or are used to in vanilla Arma etc) as quickly as you like - personally I am enjoying the change of philosophy and the challenges it brings.

I agree here, plus just to add more to the pot on this subject, the Allies have 2 advantages prior to war in 1939:

1. They have Peacetime Industry with the +15% research, its quite huge for them and so far in 1941 the UK is at about 158% research (while me Germany is at 138%) 20% difference can add up a lot.
2. In early scenarios the Allies get another huge advantage of sharing tech blueprints. If you think having the research speed +15% is big get the blueprints and it will be done in no time provided the right team is researching it.

The Allies definately have edge on technology race if you want to call it that due to the 2 points listed above, but the Axis can get their share maybe not as much but I always trade all my techs to my Axis partners AI every game just in case they can actually save my butt if needed (usually not!).

Tech tree now boils down to what you really need to either defend or attack with no time constraints, only research time. Which actually is more true to history then previous vanilla HoI2 tech trees and the blasted penalties for researching early. I think if I had to pick my favorite tech tree prior to IC it would have been good old HoI1 with that horrible interface and massive techs you had to scroll through to find what you needed.

 

[Turul]

I agree here, plus just to add more to the pot on this subject, the Allies have 2 advantages prior to war in 1939:

1. They have Peacetime Industry with the +15% research, its quite huge for them and so far in 1941 the UK is at about 158% research (while me Germany is at 138%) 20% difference can add up a lot.
2. In early scenarios the Allies get another huge advantage of sharing tech blueprints. If you think having the research speed +15% is big get the blueprints and it will be done in no time provided the right team is researching it.

The Allies definately have edge on technology race if you want to call it that due to the 2 points listed above, but the Axis can get their share maybe not as much but I always trade all my techs to my Axis partners AI every game just in case they can actually save my butt if needed (usually not!).

Totally agree