Germany Buildup - CIC run comparisons

[Zauberelefant]

Sorry to tell you but you are missing out one thing... also all other buildings profit from construction bonuses it does not matter...they are cutting costs as long as you build.
What do you buidl if your not buidling infra? Additional civs!
Taking rheinland as example:
The thing is i can build 2 infra in the same time i can build 1 civ at game start, but then i have 1 more cic available to build more stuff, while the extra infra first has to pay of, this will happen exactly after i did build 10 civs on the lvl 10 as the speed diffrence is 11,11%, in the same time in a lvl 8 i will build 9 civs so now both have 10 extra civs.
So those 5 extra slots in 43 in rheinland are worth half a civ, add half a civ for the second place in Niederschlesien and 0,7 for the moselland this is all you get, if you put refinerys its worth together 2 additional civs until 43 you can build in the same time not more.
Same goes for the UK.
Btw. Autarky makes it even worse as it doesnt count for infra only for civs, so if you go for infra in the few states I mentioned in the last psot do it early!

Just went ingame, building 10 civ in a lvl 10 infra with construciton IV, Autakry Free trade, schacht takes 420 days building 9 of them in a lvl 8 infra takes 414 days, so even after 10 civs your still not even...on costruction 3 its 440 vs 441 hell yeah you safed 1 day...(still not counting the 44 days i had this 1 civ in the lvl 8 earlier that brought me extra cic output)

I stick to my word, just forget about it.

I guess that the Autobahn focus would still be worth it, despite that, right?

 

[porta80]

I guess that the Autobahn focus would still be worth it, despite that, right?

Yes sure, total diffrent story as you get the infra for free.

Its effect is like ~6 additional civs in 39 in one of the other 80% infra states if you build civs and 3 synth each it saves you ~300 construction days together. Compared to building the same without the focus.

 

[Simon_9732495]

See also this thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ructure-for-the-build-speed-modifier.1388133/
I uploaded a excel file to do the calculations there.

Building Infrastructure later as Germany is even worse than building it at game start. Because later you have a lot Modifiers. (E.g. for Civs you have quite soon +55% from Free Trade, Constr. 1+2, Schacht + Autarky) More Modifiers make build time shorter, make Infrastructure impact lower.

I think if you want to play a optimal Germany you should not build infrastructure until the preparation for Barbarossa, when you improve your supply routes a bit.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

Yeah, I use the Collobartion too and play as historically as possible. That makes the best sence.

But the 150 PP for changing to open the Ressources for World Trade I don´t use. Maybe an good alternate to get faster Research and more Industry. On the other Hand you loose to many Ressources to build up your Army, Airforce and Navy.

 

[ladner]

I find that this information can be very useful knowing the exact production of the AI. In this case I am confident that I am out producing the UK in the air. My industry build up isn't as good as I would have liked and the war start will be late had just squeeze in the event for Yugoslavia but more or less on time. I have found that the 10 CIV investment to have spies native to who you are spying on to be ve very useful. They are more efficient at setting up networks. Of course my Czech spy got captured which through off my early intel operations. Have become addicted to stealing industry for the 300% bonus and 1 to 2 year ahead penalty removed. In this case have 1941 construction.

My fuel situation isn't great right now, major air training build up. Finished some radar and airbase construction for the West after Polish campaign. Will work on 2x collaboration in Yugoslavia, plan on taking all of the chromium.