Germany attacks the Maginot line (Again) & 2 fronts war [1.4 DoD]

[epicmemory]

The naval invasion spam in 1939 still goes on? It's gotten to the point where I tag-switch to ENG and FRA every few weeks to delete those invasions (or everytime I hear the alarm). The idea of ENG or FRA dumping 20 divisions into Hamburg 2 days after the Germans invade Poland is far beyond the realm of plausible (or good gameplay) that I have zero qualms about tag-switching to get rid of it.

 

[atredies]

I think the biggest mistake was national focuses rather than using events to guide the game. The 2nd would be giving a majority of the actual gameplay to the AI even for the player (AI controls your front, combats, etc)

Causes some strange things indeed.

 

[Alexlazer]

I don't see how you can blame "casual players" (what ever that mean) for the many shortcomings of the AI. As far as I know, casual players are not in charge of developing the game.

As for calling them "cancer", I'm sure you can do better than using an Ad hominem.

Are you for real right now? Please, go read the multiple threads on the mediocre AI that have been created for the past months. You'll see the same god damn people always defending PDX no matter what, always telling us to wait until the next patch to start complaining, always acting like stupid kids saying "another thread full of complaints, how original lol" thinking they're funny.

This is total bullshit, TWO major patches in and the game still isn't functional! God damn! Wake up, that's unacceptable!

 

[koba134]

is it the final 1.4 build though ?

 

[Lumpy]

And they haven't replied to this thread.. Sure they have read it though ..... All I can do now is laugh.

I think I rather want to cry, if anything. Something must have gone seriously wrong in the development process. This is not what I am used to from Paradox. I don't think it is fair to antagonize or ridicule single devs, since this is clearly the result of a faulty team effort, not that of one branch of programmers.

Assume you are tasked with writing an AI for an incredibly complex game. You see problems in terms of practicability and bring these issues up at the meetings. You get overruled by the designers, the project lead, or whoever. Now you are there, left with an extremely ungrateful and difficult task. I do sympathize with the devs, but this is simply not acceptable. All Paradox titles had problems in terms of bugs and such, but they were ironed out eventually, and I never had a doubt that the base of the game was a solid foundation to build upon in cases like EUIV, CKII or Stellaris. But this time, its different. I simply cannot see any perspective for substantial improvement in the case of HOI4, at least not short to mid-term.

What baffles me is how most of the YouTubers that get their early versions are completely oblivious to those glaring problems. If you play a game casually, and basically beat it first try, shouldn't your reaction to it be kind of skeptical? Instead, they mostly are like "Oh well, that went well. Had a blast, next time, guys!". Maybe this game was designed for this kind of target audience. Currently, this game is basically a glorified version of what "Total War: Blitzkrieg!" would look like, at least in terms of the atrociously bad AI and the ability to beat both the German Reich and Italy as the "Bohemian Empire" in March 1940... sigh.

edit: Also, lets not forget, economically, HOI4 was a success, if I remember the figures they presented correctly. So, maybe everything is indeed working out as planned and we are the vocal minority that refuses to acknowledge their paradigm change regarding game design. Maybe. I hope not. I hope they just screwed up and will sort it out eventually.

 

[grandad1982]

God damn! We're two major patches in, and yet this bullshit AI behaviour is still happening! Where are all the fanboys who said "just wait until the next patch everything will be fixed stop complaining lol" ?! 'Cause it's still the damn same!

Actually my recollection is that most of the 'fanboys' said, wait until you play the patch, then you can pan it if you want to.

 

[Ninaran]

Seeing Da9L defeat Germany as easy as he did with almost no micro on speed 5 as Bohemia in 1940 left me seriously baffled. And that's not even mentioning the "slight nuisance" that Italy turned out to be when they let him take the entire boot without any resistance at all.
Who can possibly think that is okay?

 

[epicmemory]

20 seconds into a random 1939 start as Italy to check out licensing and Germany is chucking 30 divisions straight into Maginot right when war with Poland pops.



update:

Germany has 200k dead by November 17th, just popped Around Maginot

BENELUX dead within a month, nice

and France capitulated by January of 1940, with a German victory with 262k dead. All in all....not too bad....little heavy on the losses, but a successful German set up by early 1940 is pretty good and 262k dead is in that sort of "acceptable range", I'd say.

March 1940, German AI is building infantry divisions and a LOT of light panzer divisions, some 10 width (1 LARM, 4 MOT). Most Panzer divisions are 4 LARM, 3 MOT

Sweet Jesus, German AI has nearly 50 panzer divisions in the queue and a deficit of 7k light tanks in March of 1940

June 1940, over 9k Light tank deficit with 55 Panzer divisions queued

Looks like the AI is capping the light tank divisions at around...80 or so, there's 34 in the field + around 45 more in the queue but the ones in the queue are set to build only once and expire. 10k light tank deficit

It's not a good test (lot of tag switching + a 1939 start), but...I'm a little worried. I'll have to see how it plays tomorrow, have to get to sleep

 

[koba134]

A lot of Dieppe-style invasions all over the place

Finland joins the "Chinese United Front" when attacked by USSR

The German AI seems less interested of Africa.

 

[Doffe]

Paradox... You can, and should, do better than this! :/

 

[Nirmara]

Are you for real right now? Please, go read the multiple threads on the mediocre AI that have been created for the past months. You'll see the same god damn people always defending PDX no matter what, always telling us to wait until the next patch to start complaining, always acting like stupid kids saying "another thread full of complaints, how original lol" thinking they're funny.

Again, I can't see the link between the opinions of certain members of this community and the quality of the AI.

P.S. Try to refrain from using Ad hominem as it is against the rule of conduct #2.

 

[19mila92]

And they haven't replied to this thread.. Sure they have read it though ..... All I can do now is laugh.

What they can say? "We know the problem, we will address it soon"

The "soon" song is going on since day 1 and we are now one year in HOI 4. The reality is, as I said in other thread, that this game has born with an handicap and with obscene design choices.

The problem is in the development before the release because is clear that something has gone wrong at that time and PDX was aware of the problems but they charged anyway for a Season Pass when the base game was nothing more than an alpha.

Now I think that would take at least one more year to bring this game to a decent level. Because now is just a joke

Just saying: at the begining this patch/dlc was focused on the air revamp.... well now we all now that the air revamp is just a reskin with no new mechanics. Even say as in the marketing images for DoD "Upgraded Air Warfare" is weird. There is no real upgrade

 

[stevetry]

im on oak and my god the AI stop trying to do naval invasions

 

[19mila92]

Not only Germany declares useless war...

 

[Slurpee]

What they can say? "We know the problem, we will address it soon"

The "soon" song is going on since day 1 and we are now one year in HOI 4. The reality is, as I said in other thread, that this game has born with an handicap and with obscene design choices.

The problem is in the development before the release because is clear that something has gone wrong at that time and PDX was aware of the problems but they charged anyway for a Season Pass when the base game was nothing more than an alpha.

Now I think that would take at least one more year to bring this game to a decent level. Because now is just a joke

Just saying: at the begining this patch/dlc was focused on the air revamp.... well now we all now that the air revamp is just a reskin with no new mechanics. Even say as in the marketing images for DoD "Upgraded Air Warfare" is weird. There is no real upgrade

What really concerns me is that in nearly every dev diary, we get a "We didn't have enough time to do x, but we really wanted to do it, but we'll focus on it in the future."
What's mind boggling, really, is that DoD counts toward the expansion pass, when this is basically some UI changes (same with TFV). Again, the only major change I can see is equipment licenses and converting equipment. AI, as this thread states, still can't handle itself. Conquered France, England, United States, and Russia by Novemeber 1941 when declaring war in 1939 this morning.
The policy of creating NF trees for minors is really the wrong approach, when even the devs have said something along the lines of 60% of players play as Germany.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

The policy of creating NF trees for minors is really the wrong approach, when even the devs have said something along the lines of 60% of players play as Germany.

Sticker point.

61% play a major country (down from 65% a year ago), 39% minor nation (up from 35%). 24% of starts are with Germany, which is about 40% of all major nation starts. Germany is definitely the most popular country by a long measure.

60% play with mods (just threw this in for completeness, since I see 60% being thrown about a lot lately, so it could just be conflating different stats).

Source:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-anniversary-diary-and-free-dlc.1027532/

SR,
p.s. edit - Full disclosure. Haven't played MP yet. I played Germany exactly once so far. Got a couple achievements out of it, and that start was just too strong for my sensibilities. Hopefully this Oak patch will help toughen up the opposition.

 

[stjern]

20 seconds into a random 1939 start as Italy to check out licensing and Germany is chucking 30 divisions straight into Maginot right when war with Poland pops.



update:

Germany has 200k dead by November 17th, just popped Around Maginot

BENELUX dead within a month, nice

and France capitulated by January of 1940, with a German victory with 262k dead. All in all....not too bad....little heavy on the losses, but a successful German set up by early 1940 is pretty good and 262k dead is in that sort of "acceptable range", I'd say.

March 1940, German AI is building infantry divisions and a LOT of light panzer divisions, some 10 width (1 LARM, 4 MOT). Most Panzer divisions are 4 LARM, 3 MOT

Sweet Jesus, German AI has nearly 50 panzer divisions in the queue and a deficit of 7k light tanks in March of 1940

June 1940, over 9k Light tank deficit with 55 Panzer divisions queued

Looks like the AI is capping the light tank divisions at around...80 or so, there's 34 in the field + around 45 more in the queue but the ones in the queue are set to build only once and expire. 10k light tank deficit

It's not a good test (lot of tag switching + a 1939 start), but...I'm a little worried. I'll have to see how it plays tomorrow, have to get to sleep

I also saw this in my testing, field count bug really seemed much worse now in 1.4.

 

[atredies]

I just tried the new expac as the UK, it went something like this.


AI Germany does around the maginot while still working through Poland.

AI Germany and AI Japan left 35-40 divisions each in ports in Italian Africa, I encircled them in those ports with 6-ish divisions and left them there for the rest of the game.

AI Germany declares war on Russia around a historical time then gets totally rekt without taking more than a dozen provinces at best then gets pushed back and the war is over by mid 42.

I laugh and cry at the same time, then proceed to play black ice for hoi3.

I do like the new air interface though!

 

[adam_grif]

I did an ironman Hungary game. I annexed Austria, puppeted Czechoslovakia, annexed my claims on Yugo and took Transylvania from Romania via event.

Despite weakning Germany by not giving them Austria + Cze, they still did well, but oddly.

As others have said, the Germans took around maginot while still in France. Poland lasted a fair while without falling as the Germans took on Benelux and France at the same time as Poland. Boo. But they did beat them all. Then they declared war on USSR in 1941 January (why always in Winter???), and before 1943 they had annexed the USSR. I think it only took 12 months but I didn't notice the exact date.

 

[wildbillhdmax01]

I don't know... I'm just waiting to be told to wait for the next expansion/patch...