German Version Censor List

[Anani]

Hello,

I would like to ask the staff or anyone that knows where I can find a FULL list of speeches and events etc that have been censored by the German government.

I have read the FAQ, no detailed information can be found there.

Thanks in advance

 

[elektrizikekswerk]

The German government didn't censor anything. It was PDX themselves who made a censored version for the German market to comply German law. Afaik the only things that were censored are the portraits of some/most German leaders, political and military.

/edit: Or are you talking about something else?

 

[seattle]

Just download the uncensored mod in the workshop like everybody else does. I don't understand why that's not good enough or are you conducting censorship research for a paper?

 

[Lykanion]

to comply German law.

By the way, it's not undisputed if the use of nazi symbols and the like in computer games really is forbidden by german law. There exists only a single court decision of a mid level court from nineteen years ago, when computer games were new. Quite some people make a case for computer games to be a form of art, which would allow the use of those symbols.

But better be safe than sorry, and to be honest, I don't miss the swastikas and the faces of mass murderers.

 

[Captured Joe]

But better be safe than sorry, and to be honest, I don't miss the swastikas and the faces of mass murderers.

I find it weird that the faces of Ante Pavelic and Josef Stalin aren't hidden too though. I really don't mind the hidden swasticas etc either, I just find it a bit inconsistent.

 

[elektrizikekswerk]

By the way, it's not undisputed if the use of nazi symbols and the like in computer games really is forbidden by german law. There exists only a single court decision of a mid level court from nineteen years ago, when computer games were new. Quite some people make a case for computer games to be a form of art, which would allow the use of those symbols.

But better be safe than sorry, and to be honest, I don't miss the swastikas and the faces of mass murderers.

Afaik it's more like 29 years ago (at least it feels so), but yes, I know that. And I really hope someone will stand against that decision. But I doubt it - too dangerous terrain...

I find it weird that the faces of Ante Pavelic and Josef Stalin aren't hidden too though. I really don't mind the hidden swasticas etc either, I just find it a bit inconsistent.

It's because symbols of nazism are forbidden, not symbols of stalinism (or any other -ism I am aware of)

 

[bowman2011]

Nothing beats direct experience.

Everything else is a "rumor".

So be careful what you BELIEVE.

History has a tendency to be writ with the same motivation your typical Facebook post is writ.

Ego-centric.


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[Uladh88]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39835609

this news story says

Officials found Wehrmacht memorabilia openly displayed in the common room of an army barracks, despite a ban on Nazi symbols.

i thought that the Wehrmacht and the nazi ss were seperate i was not aware that germany banned an entire period of its history, do they even teach ww2 history in germany?

apon further reading the items found did not include Nazi objects punishable under German law, such as swastikas

Ms Von der Leyen said that she would not tolerate the veneration of the Wehrmacht in today's army.

 

[Opanashc]

i thought that the Wehrmacht and the nazi ss were seperate i was not aware that germany banned an entire period of its history, do they even teach ww2 history in germany?

After looking at the behavior of the Wehrmacht - they were two peas in a pod.

 

[elektrizikekswerk]

The Bundeswehr is quite paranoid about anything in relation with that period - for obvious reasons

However, as I said, in general symbols of nazism are forbidden. This includes some stuff of the Wehrmacht because of the swastika, but the Wehrmacht as such is - unlike the SS - no "symbol" of nazism.

 

[Lykanion]

or any other -ism I am aware of

Islamism, in a way. The flag of the IS is forbidden, says Wikipedia. And KPD and FDJ have been, but that's a thing of the past, apparently.

 

[Uladh88]

well i read that article and they found a ww2 Wehrmacht Helmet and confiscated it

 

[amalric de g.]

do they even teach ww2 history in germany?

If i read such nonsense, i´m really tempted to bang my head on a table. Germany is the country, who talk all day about our war crimes. This is sadly something that some other states miss.

 

[Lykanion]

well i read that article and they found a ww2 Wehrmacht Helmet and confiscated it

I don't really know what you're driving at, but maybe you're confusing penal law and everyday politics? Owning or showcasing Wehrmacht helmets is not punishable by german law. Your article, though, is about a political scandal and the Bundeswehr/Ministry of Defense trying to further disassociate itself from the Third Reich in general and Neo-Nazis in particular.

You see, the Wehrmacht is rather ill-conceived in present day germany for playing their part during the Third Reich, helping the Nazis, committing war crimes and participating in genocide. Therefore the Bundeswehr is - officially - considered to be a 'new' army, explicitly NOT continuing the traditions of the Wehrmacht.

 

[ZivDero]

I find it weird that the faces of Ante Pavelic and Josef Stalin aren't hidden too though. I really don't mind the hidden swasticas etc either, I just find it a bit inconsistent.

Joseph Stalin? Why would you censor Stalin? Stop equating Fascism and Communism, capitalist idiot!

 

[Tempestra]

IYou see, the Wehrmacht is rather ill-conceived in present day germany for playing their part during the Third Reich, helping the Nazis, committing war crimes and participating in genocide. Therefore the Bundeswehr is - officially - considered to be a 'new' army, explicitly NOT continuing the traditions of the Wehrmacht.

Ironically it's the countries that the Wehrmacht was trying to invade where the Wehrmacht is viewed as a noble, honourable force of chivalrous professionals.

 

[Anani]

I am just asking, which speeches and which events were censored/altered for the game to be not banned in germany.

I mean, there must be a changelog, non?

 

[hkrommel]

Joseph Stalin? Why would you censor Stalin? Stop equating Fascism and Communism, capitalist idiot!

You're right, they're not equal. Guess which one was worse

 

[Captured Joe]

You're right, they're not equal. Guess which one was worse

Don't ever open this can of f***ing worms please.

Both were horrible. End.

 

[ZivDero]

You're right, they're not equal. Guess which one was worse

Don't ever open this can of f***ing worms please.

Both were horrible. End.

Communism wasn't. You've just always looked at one side of the coin. The one prensented and overexaggerated by the west in hundreds of times. The bad one.

But you're right. This is a can of worms. Really nasty ones. Let's open it so this topic gets closed.