At first glance, i notice the German Land forces have a ridiculously low ORG , even when compared to France/ UK. I wonder , what is the reason behind this change ?
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And there for they have a "ridiclulous" high GDE of 100, while the Sovjets have arround 45-60 in the years of 41-44.
in real the german forces had very high ORG that no matter how hard they were hit they can always reorganize and they did it so quick both the allies and russians received large losses everytime they advance
that's not true... in 1943/1944 chaos was starting in Wehrmacht, there was lack of ammo, trucks, supplies, everything, after in 1944 germans started taking higher losses then Soviets caus their got to have better equipment and used better tactics.
Playing as Finland, my troops' organization was only 40-something in 1945, Infiltration doctrine tree fully researched.
AFAIK this is part of the revised land combat system. You can check the dev. diary about it. Unfortunately ewphoenix123 is not available ATM to give more detailed answer.
but is it WAD that units with 80 experience get only +16 to combat this is pretty low imo it should be done like in HoI 3 x2 to experience points.
You are wrong. Germans had way better tanks. What they didn't expect from Russia was to produce their own tanks too! Germans had the Tiger tanks which wreaked havoc on the enemy lines. Tigers could operate even if they were shot 300 times! I'm not even joking. And after that, Germans produced something even better; the Kingtigers. The advantage of Soviet T-34s was to be a nice light tank. In addition, Germans were still doing fine in 1943 even if they were stopped and were being slowly pushed back.
So who suffered higher losses during Bagration, for example?
You are overemphasising the importance of heavy tanks and ignoring the fact that their production rate was rather low when compared with medium armour.
@ Cybvep
this is not about inflicted losses
its about how quick the germans were able to reorganize and restablish themselves after each blow
during ww2 they were the masters at that, a well known fact. Even when fighting a 3 front war plus the allied air campaign against them, every soldier was well equipped. even their militias, unlike the red army which gave every 2 men a gun and 3 bullets or something AT THE FRONT LINES! now that counts for something,
As for the losses, in 1943 the russians got pounded HARD and in that year alone they lost more men than germany lost since 1939. But you said after 1944, yes you are right in a sense. after 1944 the germans begun to take equal losses as the russians, simply becuase it was always a losing game for them, either dead or surrendering which counts a loss. most of the troops were normal civilians and youth recruited last minute to defend the fatherland
my point remains, germany had the best organization, had it been another country in their position they would not have lasted that long
this is not about inflicted losses
its about how quick the germans were able to reorganize and restablish themselves after each blow
during ww2 they were the masters at that, a well known fact. Even when fighting a 3 front war plus the allied air campaign against them, every soldier was well equipped. even their militias, unlike the red army which gave every 2 men a gun and 3 bullets or something AT THE FRONT LINES! now that counts for something,
As for the losses, in 1943 the russians got pounded HARD and in that year alone they lost more men than germany lost since 1939. But you said after 1944, yes you are right in a sense. after 1944 the germans begun to take equal losses as the russians, simply becuase it was always a losing game for them, either dead or surrendering which counts a loss. most of the troops were normal civilians and youth recruited last minute to defend the fatherland
my point remains, germany had the best organization, had it been another country in their position they would not have lasted that long
it seems like even hungarian troops have higher ORG than I do, this means I cant really do much to change the course of war in 1942, 1943, 1944 scenarios
So germany has higher GDE than all other nations but much lower ORG?
So germany has higher GDE than all other nations but much lower ORG?
You are just not right. The fact, that German logistic was decent ( but in Sovjet Russias deepnes a shitload ) is not the same as good reorganisation and organisation.
The Blitzkriegdoctrine had always the problem, that it is no doctrine for a centralised high command like the OKW. Only when the Tank Division Commanders like Guderian fighted without or even against the direct will of the OKW, Germany won its battles and war. You can see this at the Maas.
In Dunkirchen you can see, that the Blitzkriegdoctrine needs time to reorganise and not that less. Organisation in the Blitzkriegdoctrine is not that easy, because the spearheads often have to act without the commands of the high command.
But the Germans do not retreat or capitulate in WW2. They hold the line, they hold the fire until there is a retreat command or till death. This is shown by the GDE.
And Gerrman Medium Armor was equal to the Sovjet Armor ( T 34 ). German victroys in WW2 were accaused by the enemys idioty. France Army was larger then the German Army and better equipted and with more tanks ( a fact, not everybody knows ). The German won due the dumpness of the French to see the Ardennes as manover terretory. In Russia German victorys till 1942 were a combination of suprise and stalins bad commanding skills. And the effect of the great purge was still there.
Yes.ther german army smashed the soviets much times,the soviet army for example,can lose the ofensive of Budapest in 1945!German Militia with low numbers and low organization launch a little ofensive and retake the City from a Gigantic number of Soviets!
The low organisation doesn't mean the German troops are badly organised.
They've made the GDE of the Russians very low so they take lots of casualties. The Germans get a far higher GDE, so they take fewer casualties. To make up for that, the organisation of German troops has to be lower, or they'd just destroy the Russians.
Basically, it's just a number. Look at the casualty figures.
They've made the GDE of the Russians very low so they take lots of casualties. The Germans get a far higher GDE, so they take fewer casualties. To make up for that, the organisation of German troops has to be lower, or they'd just destroy the Russians.
Basically, it's just a number. Look at the casualty figures.
So Germans now have better gde and lower org to minimize losses,and russia has higer org and unlimited manpower pool 
I'm struggling against a human soviet opponent,blitzkrieg doctorine has no more advantages early in the war?
I'm struggling against a human soviet opponent,blitzkrieg doctorine has no more advantages early in the war?Where did you guys see about higher German GDE ? According to the files , German and Soviets have the same GDE, lol
Germans were not supermen, the Volkstrum was made of youngsters and old guys.
One number to remember. 40% of the German casualties (I'm talking about the deads) occured during the last year of the war. Vae victis.
One number to remember. 40% of the German casualties (I'm talking about the deads) occured during the last year of the war. Vae victis.
They were not supermen, but they were tactically ahead of their competitors at the earlier stages of the war for sure. Do the new doctrines reflect this?