German Strategies (1.03b Patch)

[Diefledermas]

All of (my) strategies for Germany are definately now out of date due to the new patch.

New Allied war entry rules
Soviet restrictions on first strike
Minor nations influencing eachother

to name a few.

I'm curious what other players have found are good strategies for the Reich.

 

[Minodrin]

I haven't tried Germany yet, but I think we can all agree that invading Austria is now a totally worthless strategy (It's previous point was to allow conquest of eastern-european nations and their IC, which you only get 33% of now).

 

[tank_buster]

A few things I have been working on.

First of all don't invade Austria, but do force an early anschluss by moving most of your military to the border and trying repeatedly until it is done. You can usually make it happen by April, with very little increased WE.

Next I let my DI points build until I can Coup a country of my choice. It could be any democratic country that you want to attack. Once a successful coup changes the government you are free to attack without triggering the automatic DOW.

The new rules will slow down Germany (if you don't want full scale war) but you will still be in good shape before you go to war for real.

 

[Vissarion]

In my current MP game as Germany i managed to coup Belgium and get military access. I have done this several times in SP, so the odds should be pretty good. This takes away the Allies' advance of using belgian and dutch forces to defend france, but those would rarely be a problem anyway.

 

[Mr.Bigglesworth]

Originally posted by tank_buster
Next I let my DI points build until I can Coup a country of my choice. It could be any democratic country that you want to attack. Once a successful coup changes the government you are free to attack without triggering the automatic DOW.

I thought I read before that the Allies could declare war if you couped a democracy, am I mistaken in that?

 

[Diefledermas]

coups raise WE by about 50 percent if its a democracy, not a great idea for something like Belgium.

plus

if you invade thru a friendly Belgium the captured French territory GOES to Belgium. Now I like those friendly Belgians and all but...

 

[Vissarion]

Originally posted by Diefledermas
if you invade thru a friendly Belgium the captured French territory GOES to Belgium. Now I like those friendly Belgians and all but...

That only happens if you bring them to your alliance, which you of course do not, because when you're done with France you will fancy the belgian coal (150 or something).

 

[Diefledermas]

That only happens if you bring them to your alliance, which you of course do not, because when you're done with France you will fancy the belgian coal (150 or something).

So why would you Coup a country you were going to invade and give the Allies a double war entry bonus?

OR

If you mean Coup the country and gain military access and then invade thru them. This seems a little complicated when you get just invade thru Belgium by conqouring them. Any French player worth his salt is going to know you're hitting him once you go for Belgium.

 

[unmerged(5553)]

Seems Elementary

If you coup Belgium, they cannot DOW as soon as you DOW Belgium, so you can take Belgium then DOW France and start the invasion with them at minimum organization.

 

[Vissarion]

I have never experienced a rise in WE after couping a democracy. Maybe 2 or 3%, but thats it.

 

[unmerged(13561)]

Good strat about putting troops on austrias border however does this work with all nations that Germany has lands that are supposed to be German? What about other countries that Germany has no claims on?

Jason

 

[Kamiman]

Immediatly Dow Denmark, screw the war with allies, what can they do at the start of the game, war gives you 60 more ic to deal with as well, which is a plus, then go into austria, yugoslavia, then finally hungary. once this is done, invade belgium and send a few divs to belgian africa to take it, annex belgium and start the rubber flowing in, if its multiplayer, do the same with netherllands , you and your japaneese ally take it out. Then your ready to invade france and take over the world.

 

[Diefledermas]

Okay,

so while your invading all these little countries what is to stop France, UK, and the USA since your going get their WE up to 100% pretty fast from invading YOU in the meantime? Not to mention, you honestly think the USSR (who btw - have extreme numerical superioroty over you) isn't going to hit you from the East as well?

You have a big enough army in the beginning to defend 2 fronts while attacking on a 3rd front?

 

[MAC]

It's simple. He will build a LOT of infantry.
He will conquer almost all Europe in no time.
But in the end he will have a problem with the USA because of early WE and running out of manpower

 

[TeutonicKnight]

Depends on who is playing what, I will assume all major countries are player driven.


Germany is in a tight vise and an almost hopeless situation given the tech sharing capabilities of the allies. If a Human plays Russia, and France and Britain are as well, and assuming Germany and the Soviets didn't "align" it is a hopeless situation.

Italy has got to be pumped up fast if unlimited tech sharing, for they will be imperative to the fall of France.

At any rate a good strat would be to get as many continental allies as possible, if for no other reason than to free up your troops from defensive roles. Gaining extra divisions is worth the low IC that would be gained from them, not to mention Romania supplying you oil.

Another thing I have learned in MP games is that adding brigades to units is a waste of time and MP for the small advantage you will gain. I would much rather have more tanks, which is the dominant battlefield modifier, than slightly better tanks.

There are too many variables to get a good strat though.

 

[Diefledermas]

It's simple. He will build a LOT of infantry.
He will conquer almost all Europe in no time.
But in the end he will have a problem with the USA because of early WE and running out of manpower

My question was redundant.

I don't mean to sound harsh here but you're comments assume that the Allies and the Soviets are just "going to lay down and die". The may happen in SP games but it sure won't in MP games, at least not with good players.

 

[MAC]

Hm, France is pretty tough to save.

In almost every MP game I played they will be overrun by Germany and the WE of the USA is what kills the Axis...

Never seen a successfull invasion of the UK in MP, though.

 

[GLENN]

MP 1.03B Germany

That's what I hate. Every 1.03B game I play the German player is too aggresive. Takes Austria and keeps on going.

By Dec 37 WE is 100% for the Allies.

I've even taken over a couple of games as Germany where they used Kaminman's strategy. Guess what Germany had high disent like 14% in one of them. Allies 100% WE.

I've yet to see the Axis not get crushed when the Allies are at 100% WE by Dec 37.

I've had France DOW Germany when I DOW Denmark in 36.

German strategy: recomend play more historical get your allies on your side to make a plan. Research heavily in the begining.

Watch WE and work around that and you should be ok.

With caution and strategy you can still get Europe and have WE low enough to keep USA out for a long time.

Sorry I'm not specfic enough, but I think Politics are alot more important now.

 

[Diefledermas]

Sorry I'm not specfic enough, but I think Politics are alot more important now.

Right you are.