German Government 1936

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Originally posted by The camel
Just hope i spelt those names right

We knew which ones you meant. Those silly Russians. More alternatives to spelling their names than you can shake a hammer and sickle at. Too many repetitive consonants and vowels, if you ask my opinion.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Baudolino
What is Himmler's apparent trait?

Efficient Sociopath

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by DarthMaur
Isn't he already a minister (security)

I was thinking of Beck, Fritsch, Reader.

They're surprisingly hard to get rid of

 

[Keynes]

IRL Goering replaced Schacht as armnaments minister in 1937. Having Schacht give a bonus to IC is realistic, but the "problem" was that he wanted to redeploy resources to the consumer sector. Goering emphasized military production instead but was not a skillful. Ideally this would be handled by allowing the German player to keep Schacht, but only at the price of some increase in the amount of required consumer goods production. I dont know if the engine is that finely tuned to do this though.

 

[BiB]

U can replace Schacht By Göring as armaments minister later on but that's not really a good thing

It's hardly feasible to get such details in anyway, esp considering how many ministers there are in teh game.

 

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Originally posted by BiB
They're surprisingly hard to get rid of

I trust, though, that the Germans have an easier time of it than the rest? One of Hitler's greatest weaknesses, after all, was the often unwise replacement of quite accomplished and experienced personnel. I've rather been looking forward to sacking some ministers, and keeping others on who I felt got a bum rap historically.

 

[grumbold]

Great stuff!

As a slight aside, does anyone know why we have a "Guns and Butter" military doctrine? To the best of my knowledge 'Guns or Butter' is a name by which a classic equation in economics is now better known: the Production Possibility Curve. This states that for a given level of production, there has to be a trade off between butter (luxuries keeping the populace content) and guns (defence spending.)

Sayings along these lines that gave rise to the term have been attributed to both Goebbels: "We can do without butter, but, despite all our love of peace, not without arms. One cannot shoot with butter, but with guns." from a speech in January 1936 and Goering: "Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat" from a radio broadcast, summer 1936.

I have never heard of Guns and Butter being used to describe ensuring that your military forces are amply supplied. That sounds more like the kind of strategy George B. McClellan would follow.

 

[Keynes]

Originally posted by BiB
U can replace Schacht By Göring as armaments minister later on but that's not really a good thing .

Indeed - Id suspect Goering as economy minister would be properly categorized as "corrupt kleptocrat" and any German player starting in 39 would chomp at the bit to get Speer (presumbly an "Admin Genius") in 42-43. But politically Hitler felt he had to get rid of Schacht who was no longer with the program by 37. Perhaps this is modeled through loyalty??

Ah well I suppose I will just have to wait . . .

 

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Originally posted by grumbold
... and Goering: "Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat" from a radio broadcast, summer 1936.

Well it seems the rolly polly sodomite didn't take those words to heart, did he?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Baudolino
I trust, though, that the Germans have an easier time of it than the rest? One of Hitler's greatest weaknesses, after all, was the often unwise replacement of quite accomplished and experienced personnel. I've rather been looking forward to sacking some ministers, and keeping others on who I felt got a bum rap historically.

U can't replace someone when there's no suitable replacement ...

 

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Originally posted by BiB
U can't replace someone when there's no suitable replacement ...

Yes, I'm just voicing the hope that there ARE suitable replacements (at least in the sense that they're available in the game) in greater supply for Germany.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

But if someone's REALLY getting on your tits - perhaps your security minister has reached the level of disloyalty where he's knocking off other cabinet members - can't you replace them with a generic, talentless 'suit'? There's never any shortage of those...

 

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Originally posted by snuggs
But if someone's REALLY getting on your tits - perhaps your security minister has reached the level of disloyalty where he's knocking off other cabinet members - can't you replace them with a generic, talentless 'suit'? There's never any shortage of those...

Oh, you mean Bormann?

 

[InnocentIII]

Originally posted by BiB Re: Beck Fritsch Reader:
They're surprisingly hard to get rid of

Darn. Historically Beck was one of the less blameworthy Germans, but in game the last guy you need in 1936 is a defensive specialist.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by snuggs
But if someone's REALLY getting on your tits - perhaps your security minister has reached the level of disloyalty where he's knocking off other cabinet members - can't you replace them with a generic, talentless 'suit'? There's never any shortage of those...

Why would u want to replace them with a talentless suit? Every historical personality at least has soem talents.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Baudolino
Yes, I'm just voicing the hope that there ARE suitable replacements (at least in the sense that they're available in the game) in greater supply for Germany.

IF there were historical possible and plausible replacements then they are there. Don't expect an efficient sociopath to be available for the UK for example as Minister of Security.

 

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Originally posted by InnocentIII
Darn. Historically Beck was one of the less blameworthy Germans, but in game the last guy you need in 1936 is a defensive specialist.

Actually, I think it might be a little smart to have one on hand. What with the profundity of capable generals with which Germany is blessed, offense should be potent enough. Can't hurt to have a defensive specialist, to prepare for the day when Germany will be on the receiving end.

 

[grumbold]

Originally posted by BiB
IF there were historical possible and plausible replacements then they are there. Don't expect an efficient sociopath to be available for the UK for example as Minister of Security.

I guess Thatcher was born too late to qualify

 

[Earl Uhtred]

He said an EFFICIENT sociopath

As re the 'suit' issue, I'd rather have someone with a skullful of gruel in charge of my intelligence ministry than someone so diametrically opposed to my regime he is working against me and the better members of my cabinet. I mean, would you keep even the most brilliant intelligence minister on the payroll if he erased your best interior minister?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by snuggs
He said an EFFICIENT sociopath

As re the 'suit' issue, I'd rather have someone with a skullful of gruel in charge of my intelligence ministry than someone so diametrically opposed to my regime he is working against me and the better members of my cabinet. I mean, would you keep even the most brilliant intelligence minister on the payroll if he erased your best interior minister?

IF he did so because that brilliant interior minister was plotting against u, I'd prolly would