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President Henry Wallace...*shudders*

Oh, come now. You have to respect a man for this:

His campaign was unusual for his time in that it included African American candidates campaigning alongside white candidates in the American South, and that during the campaign he refused to appear before segregated audiences or eat or stay in segregated establishments.


Hey, he's the best secretary of agriculture the US has ever had!

And spent his last years trying to breed the perfect chicken!

And he gave China the Honeydew melon. :)
 

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Hey, he's the best secretary of agriculture the US has ever had!

And spent his last years trying to breed the perfect chicken!

I agree with you on that.

I mean, Wallace is respectable. However, he was liberal enough to scare members of his own party.
 

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Tsk. I know you think that Willkie is an amorphous shapeshifter who can't think more than five weeks ahead, but plenty of people do wonder, when the time comes, how they'll be remembered.
If it was just that I might forgive him. Or at least tolerate him. It's the whole amoral, lying, inbred, two-faced, slimly little turd part I have problems with.
 

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If it was just that I might forgive him. Or at least tolerate him. It's the whole amoral, lying, inbred, two-faced, slimly little turd part I have problems with.

You know, Willkie is not that bad.
 

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You are of course correct. He's much, much worse.

I am sure there are politicans out there who could make Willkie look like a Saint.
 
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The Worst of All Possible Worlds

As Schumacher looked at the clock on the mantle in his office, he couldn't help but shake his head. "The bastards couldn't keep to a schedule in 1914, and they're late today." This was just one of their games, he knew, but the Reichswehr really needed a good, swift, talking to.

Five minutes after the appointment was supposed to begin, his secretary buzzed over the intercom. "Mr. President, General Manstein is here to see you."

"Thank you Alice." He took a copy of Signal out from his briefcase. "Tell him I need a few more minutes to finish my paperwork."

About half an hour after the meeting was supposed to begin, Schumacher put down the magazine, smirking at the article about Wallace's
troubles. "Send him in, please. And have some coffee sent up."

Manstein walked in, his face dark. "Herr President, this is a matter of utmost urgency."

"Yes, there is nothing quite so urgent for a nation at peace as the latest defensive plans of a military force stronger than any of our neighbors."
Manstein scowled. "This is a serious matter. I must urge you once again to invoke Operation Downfall. The situation in China-"

"Is tragic, but hardly surprising. Surely you've read Faulkenhasen's reports? Chiang's more incompetent than Mussolini was.

"But it shows we cannot trust Stalin. This is how he acts now. If he were to get an atomic bomb, what brinkmanship and games would he play. Would you have us live beside a madman?" His words were all the more disturbing for the calm way he said them. "Or beneath one?"

Schumacher swore beneath his breath. Stresemann had given the Reichswehr too much attention, fawning over its generals like an ugly girl who wanted to be part of the popular clique. He'd always gone to their High Command to meet with them, rarely making the generals visit him. And he'd humored their plans, until now they were detailing the designs for genocide.

"Alright, let's go over this. With the support of the League, we launch a series of atomic strikes on Russian cities. St. Petersburg, the city of Catherine and the tsars. Baku, the source of Soviet oil, and their purported Achilles heel."

Manstein nodded. "We'll minimize damage. We can't reach Moscow, since the armament treaties prohibited research into long range bombers, but we anticipate that should be enough. Simultaneously, European forces will march east. We believe the British would launch an amphibious landing in the Crimea, and the Ukraine would rise in revolt, as would the Soviet people."

"And casualty estimates?"

"Only a couple of million." Manstein's eyes narrowed. "Far fewer than we would see in a war if both forces possessed atomic weapons. The Fatherland would be unharmed, and we would end the threat posed by the Soviets."

Schumacher sighed. "How well did the Schiefflen Plan work out? And even aside from that, are you comfortable with the deaths of millions on your conscience?"[1]

"I am comfortable with the deaths of millions of Russians if it will save millions of Germans."

Schumacher leaned back in his chair. "That's the question, isn't it? Can we coexist with the Soviets, or will they toss the world onto the flames? But they know what war will bring. Do you truly think the Russians do not love their children?"

Manstein's words were as cold as the Russian winter. "I do not think that Stalin loves them."

[1] Director's cut: "Comfortable? I'm downright enthusiastic about it! And in the future, a bunch of Anglo-Saxon males will think I was awesome despite the Reichenau Order.
 

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You're awesome. :cool:
Launch the attack!!!

Maybe make events that make Ukraine and maybe some other states revolt? ;)
I would not be destroying Sankt Petersburg.
Far too beautiful, and as said, city of Catherine. Sophie Frederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst. And it's too close to Germany.

Bomb the Urals, not the cities.

Schieffen Plan, not Schiefflen. ;)
 

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Schumacher leaned back in his chair. "Do you truly think the Russians do not love their children?"

Manstein's words were as cold as the Russian winter. "I do not think that Stalin loves them."
That exchange was officially the shizzle.
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A Manstein has pointed out, Stalin is Georgian not Russian, never mind that he is also a paranoid megalomaniac.
 

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An atomic attack combined with a League assault (taken that the other League members would support Germany on this) could bring chaos to the USSR, but I think the Jerries are underestimating the Soviets, I think this war will be long and ugly, and though it will ultimately end in Stalin's defeat, I don't really see a victory, the Russians will never forgive the rest of the world, will probably become an ultra nationalist closed society, which at some point will get nukes, and then everyone and their mother will be in trouble.
 
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Even without Hitler the world isn't more safe...
 

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You're awesome. :cool:
Launch the attack!!!

Maybe make events that make Ukraine and maybe some other states revolt? ;)

I am actually not so sure the Ukraine would revolt. Sure, the western part did, and so did the Baltic states. But everybody else was remarkably resilient. Part of this was probably that Germany was, well, Germany.

But any invasion here would come on the heels of an unprovoked attack that killed at least a million people in the opening shot.

Moreover, I would think the Iraq War woud illustrate the danger in thinking people will welcome you as liberators if you invade their country.

Bomb the Urals, not the cities.

A mountain range? That seems like a waste, no?

A Manstein has pointed out, Stalin is Georgian not Russian, never mind that he is also a paranoid megalomaniac.

I'm actually kind of surprised how everybody's come down in the posts. I thought people would be sympathizing wit Schumacher a bit more.

An atomic attack combined with a League assault (taken that the other League members would support Germany on this) could bring chaos to the USSR, but I think the Jerries are underestimating the Soviets, I think this war will be long and ugly, and though it will ultimately end in Stalin's defeat, I don't really see a victory, the Russians will never forgive the rest of the world, will probably become an ultra nationalist closed society, which at some point will get nukes, and then everyone and their mother will be in trouble.

Nonsense. A good, swift kick and the whole rotten structure will come falling down.

More seriously, I agree with you to a large extent; but I think any German victory would also entail pushing the Russians as far east as possible.

Even without Hitler the world isn't more safe...

Welcome to the 1950s, kid.
 

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Manstein nodded. "We'll minimize damage. We can't reach Moscow, since the armament treaties prohibited research into long range bombers, but we anticipate that should be enough. Simultaneously, European forces will march east. We believe the British would launch an amphibious landing in the Crimea, and the Ukraine would rise in revolt, as would the Soviet people."

My God, von Manstein really is Dick Cheney! Now all we need is a Rumsfeld saying the USSR will be brought down in weeks, not months. :D
 

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My God, von Manstein really is Dick Cheney! Now all we need is a Rumsfeld saying the USSR will be brought down in weeks, not months. :D

They will welcome us as liberators!