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I found it unrealistic that West Prussia was the only German claim at the start of the game in HOI3. At least they should have Posen, Elsaß-Lothringen, Memelland, and maybe Austria as claims from the start.
 
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Posen and Westpreußen already are cores for germany at the start (atleast it was like that in HoI III aswell). In HoI III the claim on posen dissapeared when poland folded for danzig. As for the Sudetenland they gain it as cores from the "Claim the Sudetenland" Focus, same with Austria from "Anschluss" and Memel from "Demand Memel". You can also demand slovenia from yugoslavia.

As for Elsaß-Lothringen there isnt one afaik.

Here is a screenshot from the german National Focus tree (or atleast parts of it).
The whole "Anschluss" branch is the one you are looking for.
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Are those borders achievable ingame (mainly the ones in Poland- from what I've seen in world war wednesdays, the states aren't shaped to follow those borders)?
 

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Are those borders achievable ingame (mainly the ones in Poland- from what I've seen in world war wednesdays, the states aren't shaped to follow those borders)?

Not, The states of western Poland aren't shaped to fit those exact borders but I included the map because it's a good primary source.
(should be easily modable though, I'm used to editing the shapes of the Vic2 states to my liking)
 

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Posen and Westpreußen already are cores for germany at the start (atleast it was like that in HoI III aswell). In HoI III the claim on posen dissapeared when poland folded for danzig. As for the Sudetenland they gain it as cores from the "Claim the Sudetenland" Focus, same with Austria from "Anschluss" and Memel from "Demand Memel". You can also demand slovenia from yugoslavia.

As for Elsaß-Lothringen there isnt one afaik.

Here is a screenshot from the german National Focus tree (or atleast parts of it).
The whole "Anschluss" branch is the one you are looking for.
z5M5gOt.jpg

I know there are foci to annex these states, but I wanted to know whether or not these states were cores of the Reich from the start.
 

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Are those borders achievable ingame (mainly the ones in Poland- from what I've seen in world war wednesdays, the states aren't shaped to follow those borders)?
Well, Posen and Westpreußen certainly fit the historical borders and so is the sudetenland. The small territories in the south of poland however arent archiveable ingame, no.
 

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I know there are foci to annex these states, but I wanted to know whether or not these states were cores of the Reich from the start.
From what we have seen they should be. Atleast the claims on poland exist from the start according to daniel from WWW Poland, but then again it didnt look like that during the gameplay. Afterall hungary gets cores on its former territory aswell, so i dont see why germany shouldnt get them aswell. The biggest argument against it would of course be balancing, which may be the case.

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I suppose it's not that important, from what I know, all cores really will do in hoi4 will be the expediting of war justification and increased industrial efficiency and manpower in annexed lands.
So really, the benefits of having cores there will only be reaped upon Germany winning the war.
 
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I suppose it's not that important, from what I know, all cores really will do in hoi4 will be the expediting of war justification and increased industrial efficiency and manpower in annexed lands.
So really, the benefits of having cores there will only be reaped upon Germany winning the war.
If you annex that territory the according national focus will be bypassed and thus the cores should be granted if i am not mistaken, so you would end up with core territory anyway, just at the cost of alot more political power and world tension.
 

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Alsace-Lorraine should certainly be a permanent claim for Germany, as it was viewed as an integral province of the German Reich and was - uniquely - annexed directly into the Reich, rather than being part of an external territory such as a Reichskommissariat or protectorate.

It would also have the effect of keeping Franco-German relations very low, which is good. It should be very, very difficult/unlikely for France and Nazi Germany to ally, and so by having Germans claims on France you can keep this as being something that the player (or a very lucky/random AI) has to work towards achieving.
 
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Alsace-Lorraine should certainly be a permanent claim for Germany, as it was viewed as an integral province of the German Reich and was - uniquely - annexed directly into the Reich, rather than being part of an external territory such as a Reichskommissariat or protectorate.

It would also have the effect of keeping Franco-German relations very low, which is good. It should be very, very difficult/unlikely for France and Nazi Germany to ally, and so by having Germans claims on France you can keep this as being something that the player (or a very lucky/random AI) has to work towards achieving.

I agree, however, for some reason the German government decided not to directly integrate the region into a de-jure part of Greater Germany as they did western Poland. Instead, they designated the region into a "C.C.A. area" meaning it was intended to be officially incorperated to Germany by treaty with surrendered allied governments in order to legitimize the annexation, And it was unified with a gau/reichsgau but not a legal part of Germany in the technical sense. Why they did this or how C.C.A. areas worked i still have no idea

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