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[Klein001]

The last time i played HOI2 (arma I think), I used Nat. China, and, because of the fact that I don't like the modern day PRC, I opened up the console and flooded their nation with rebels, eventually they defeated the commies (who knew that about 5-7 mtn, and 7-9 inf could stave off 20-30 rebs?) but not before the 'forge the unified front' event fired. I had to accept them as my allies, because as much as I dislike the PRC and it's history since the end of WW2(i've only heard bad things of it, so correct me if i am wrong), I really did not want to deal with the japs (whom I go out of my way to distinguish from the non-warmongering modern japanese who don't make war upon others) on one front with the commies at my back, even with my cheat type events. So after making peace with them, I decided to have them under my wing in an alliance, which 'acceptall' did for me. To make sure they would not go down, i lent them some of my forces, units which i had built up to have at least 10 divisions (edited misc.txt file). I would have done more, but that night I recieved Europa Universalis: Rome as a gift from my dad. So right now the status of my game is the same.

Questions, comments, suggestions, etc. are welcome, that is my intention for this thread.

 

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The last time i played HOI2 (arma I think), I used Nat. China, and, because of the fact that I don't like the modern day PRC, I opened up the console and flooded their nation with rebels, eventually they defeated the commies (who knew that about 5-7 mtn, and 7-9 inf could stave off 20-30 rebs?) but not before the 'forge the unified front' event fired. I had to accept them as my allies, because as much as I dislike the PRC and it's history since the end of WW2(i've only heard bad things of it, so correct me if i am wrong), I really did not want to deal with the japs (whom I go out of my way to distinguish from the non-warmongering modern japanese who don't make war upon others) on one front with the commies at my back, even with my cheat type events. So after making peace with them, I decided to have them under my wing in an alliance, which 'acceptall' did for me. To make sure they would not go down, i lent them some of my forces, units which i had built up to have at least 10 divisions (edited misc.txt file). I would have done more, but that night I recieved Europa Universalis: Rome as a gift from my dad. So right now the status of my game is the same.

Questions, comments, suggestions, etc. are welcome, that is my intention for this thread.

For some reason today I felt the urge to visit the Hearts of iron forum for the first time in a long time. Surprisingly I found this thread.

Firstly the reason why those rebels were slaughtered is because the Communist chinese troops are heavily experienced and well above tech then their nationalist counterparts. This is not as it was in history, but the amount of troops the Chinese communists had in 1936 would barely fit a single HOI infantry division.

As for the PRC part, well judging from your avatar everything you here in the USA will be mostly negative. We are all evil, child eating, fun stomping, anti-freedom communists who deliberately sell you poison products to bring your country down. Just read that over and see how silly it all sounds... I'm a member of the Communist Youth league here and I'm not particularly vicious. I was the first person to post here and help you out after all.

And for the record, nobody else please reply to this with some trolling comment, Last thing we need is a Me PRC vs everyone else like we have in the off-topic section...

 

[Insignificant]

Well definitly in Mao's era they would have been awful. There's a book my dad's got on Mao written by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday. I'm not very far into it but it is immediatly and readily apparent why modern China is trying to distance themselves from him (haven't even gotten to the Japanese invasion) at one point he became a common bandit. All in all the book gives a great detailed history of communism in China under Mao.
I couldn't believe how detailed it was there is stuff about the early days of the party I found fascinating and how close they came to failing on so many occasions, Mao himself was almost indifferent to communism he didn't follow a particular ideology just practiced brutal totalitarianism.

 

[Klein001]

My apologies, sir(or ma'am), i am willing to cocede that i have mainly heard negative things about your country, however, in my opinion, that is not the whole story, and as such, is unworthy of my believing it to be the entire truth. And yet,... (looks back at post #2) oh. I misread your post im sorry(assuming it offends you, if not, oh well) Yes, as in many places of the world, most people have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions, yes, I do it myself sometimeso. I refuse to assume that all chinese are bad(in case you [the reader] are cynical about this, all I can say is 1. i am being sincere. 2. screw you), i have heard tales of some resistance(the protest at tienamen [srry 4 any mispellings] square) for the most part, though, I am against the government only, as I dissapprove of gov't. people like stalin or hitler, In my opinion, there will always be people who disagree with a certain viewpoint, somewhere in the country, so I will not assume that anyone not in the chinese gov't is evil. And yes, I simply disagree with all the Über right or Über leftist people. They think that things like genocide(facsists) or forced labor(communists, specifically the soviets) are good. But not all who live in a country with radical tendencies agree with the state. That is why I don't like to jump to conclusions.

Like the previous poster, I don't want any off topic-ness, if you do, I will ask to have the thread closed, and I just might spam you, prbably not, but I will think about it.

edit: since this apparently took so long, I will say it is for #2, not num. 3

 

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Hmm. China pre-Deng had a bit of a...checkered history, with Mao at the centre. Certainly, he was the cause of some godawful screw-ups like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, but one has to remember to judge the entire man. Regardless of what he did in his later life, he was a great military theorist and statesman, and certainly had capability.

As with anyone, really, there's two sides of the coin. Andrew Jackson is generally seen as a great man in the US, but he was also the one personally responsible for the Trail of Tears. Winston Churchill is the man who won the war for Britain, but he was also in favor of a...dubious...British colonial policy. Grey and grey world, people.

The modern PRC has made some massive steps, though. Things generally tend to work a lot better, and as for what doesn't quite work so well...just remember that China only started modernizing in the 1980s. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[Klein001]

looking back over my last post, I feel I ought to sumerize it by saying that what I don't like about the PRC is the gov't. I don't know about the people so I have nothing against them. there, now I've said it.

Now get back on topic people, or else I'll ask the administrators/moderators to close this thread.

 

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Current government? Even though it does take care of its people quite well (ref. Sichuan earthquake response compared to Katrina response)?

 

[Klein001]

like i said, (or should've said if I didn't) I consider myself ill informed on chinese domestic matters, so I choose not to counter myself. Considering this, (my previous sentence) and my promises, I would like to justify this by citing the history of the chinese dynastic cycles. Early on, there would be reforms, prosperity, and noncorruptedness (if you know the right term, let me know plz), as the dynasties continued, however they grew weak, corrupted, and generally bad (yes i'm citing a textbook). Every nation in the world which has existed will generally follow the one type of gov't which holds it together the longest, especially (and namely) countries which stick around for a while. Stalin, in one sense, perhaps in one point of view, was yet another czar in all but name, england kept the king, france, I imagine that it is a bit more of a centralized gov't than would the established norm be for democracies(am ill-informed) the south american countries (not the dictatorships, etc.) are also more centralized than a democratic country supposedly should be. I imagine china will be the same, though this type of gov't will last longer if the leaders are careful. In fact for all that you and i know, the semi-communist (they do allow some capitalism) government might not fall before our great grandchildren(x15) are born, so the communists are perhaps in the early stages of the dynastic cycle(poor Dr. Yat-sen, or however his name is spelled) again, if the people at the very top are prudent, perhaps they shall greatly slow it's progress. In my opinion, most gov'ts even the ones started on good intentions, become sources of dislike. There are simply not enough truly good people in the world in the right places.

 

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Well of course. Every nation must eventually fall.

 

[Klein001]

true, true, mankindis woefully slow to learn from his mistakes(hitler repeated napoleon's mistakes in his failure in barbarossa).

But enough of this off topic-ness. If anyone who happens to read this whole thread has anything to say about my nat. china game mentioned in the first post, please put your comments here, if you have anything to say about anything else mentioned in the thread, shut up and leave.

edit: as a responding comment to your post (namely # 5) I say in agreement that no man is truly perfect, plus he did it in an era when americans thought poorly about native americansso what we consider bad today was acceptable way-back-when. Evan if my statements contradict themselves, my point is that i agree.

 

[Klein001]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Well said, well said.(tired but happy smiley here)

 

[coreymas]

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