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We should make this the new slogan for the EUIV devs.

Really? Me and a guy called Swistak have this running thing where everything is WAD.
 

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It's fun to watch Jake try and break the game, but if you see that your game is broken, why wouldn't you try to fix it?

If you're going to criticize something, criticize the fact that the bugs were there in the first place.
 

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in 1.7, Cherokee and Genoa can conquer the world easily, as they can get infinite money
Whats the method behind having infinite mony with the cherokee? I understand why it works with genoa but i cant see any reason why such a thing would work especially for cherokee.
 

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Whats the method behind having infinite mony with the cherokee? I understand why it works with genoa but i cant see any reason why such a thing would work especially for cherokee.

Presumably it's either the advisors or the buildings.

That, or the lack of missions.
 

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Outside of this apparent infinite money exploit I think giving Genoa some hisorical provinces won't ruin the balance of the game. I imagine they will still get rebel crushed and lose about every Italian war they are in. Player wise they are pretty strong (not including this money exploit) and I guess the new provinces will help it. Genoa has a good shot of making their empire because of all those events they get to conquer important trade ports.
 

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Castillians, Castile got more provinces (2 or 3).

Three at least, Valladolid (I think), Soria, Cuenca...and not sure if there is extra one between Salamanca and León or something around there, I'm looking the Paradox live video on the phone.

Edit: Nevermind, Salamanca remains the same.
 

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in 1.7, Cherokee and Genoa can conquer the world easily, as they can get infinite money

In 1.7, anybody who is Christian in sniffing distance of the HRE can conquer the world easily.

Doing it as Cherokee (or any other native council ;)) would be difficult regardless. Even with +3 advisors, you'd just run into the manpower and merc caps and need to westernize + get techs + get proper modifiers for infinite money. It would be materially harder than doing it with most European nations, though really to avoid this stuff maybe dump the pure additive modifiers and have multipliers with diminishing returns. That would kill any of this kind of thing.

I'm yet to see this exploit, presumably because I've not played the game for a month or so; could you explain this for me?

Stack so many -maintenance modifiers that you have negative maintenance.

Whats the method behind having infinite mony with the cherokee? I understand why it works with genoa but i cant see any reason why such a thing would work especially for cherokee.

Native councils are -50% (!) maintenance. It's impractical to use with CoP because you have to reform to get things like grain depot, decent ability to fight, and the ideas any time where you're still relevant, but without CoP native council can westernize and build standard buildings, making stacking maintenance reduction over 100% trivial.
 

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Stack so many -maintenance modifiers that you have negative maintenance.

Gotta love programming logic for things like this.
I'm not even mad at Paradox for not this bug, I can understand that it would be tough to find that one with QA testing.
 

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Native councils are -50% (!) maintenance. It's impractical to use with CoP because you have to reform to get things like grain depot, decent ability to fight, and the ideas any time where you're still relevant, but without CoP native council can westernize and build standard buildings, making stacking maintenance reduction over 100% trivial.
So it would pretty much work for every native council and not just cherokee in particular.
 

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Gotta love programming logic for things like this.
I'm not even mad at Paradox for not this bug, I can understand that it would be tough to find that one with QA testing.

The only thing I'm surprised about is that there's not a minimum floor for it. There's minimum floors on so many other things that have stacking modifiers (coring cost reduction, anyone?), so I'm surprised there isn't one here.
 

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Getting two new provinces? Have there been pictures about that?
There have.

The only thing I'm surprised about is that there's not a minimum floor for it. There's minimum floors on so many other things that have stacking modifiers (coring cost reduction, anyone?), so I'm surprised there isn't one here.
I think there are more things without minimum than there are things with. The result can be funny sometimes.

If you get negative Income from Vassals (probably only possible through modding) you end up giving money to your vassals.