gearing up for war events

[Admiral Fischer]

oftopic but why doesn't Britain have any tank divisions in 1936 and France and Czechoslovakia must be a mistake .

Historically several tank units were deployed in britain and egypt by 1936, namely 1st Royal Tank Regiment in egypt (7th Armoured Division), 2nd, 3rd, 5th (1st Armoured Division) and 6th (7th Armoured Division) in britain. Also cavalry regiments were mechanised and converted into armoured car regiment or armoured regiment, like The Queen's Bays (2nd Dragoon Guards) regiment (1st Armoured Division). There was no armoured division by 1936 however, the first such divisions were formed in 1938 as the 'Mobile Division' and the 'Mobile Division (Egypt).

... Yes, NOT 1940, but 1938. Get it right, DEV!

 

[mitch12]

Historically several tank units were deployed in britain and egypt by 1936, namely 1st Royal Tank Regiment in egypt (7th Armoured Division), 2nd, 3rd, 5th (1st Armoured Division) and 6th (7th Armoured Division) in britain. Also cavalry regiments were mechanised and converted into armoured car regiment or armoured regiment, like The Queen's Bays (2nd Dragoon Guards) regiment (1st Armoured Division). There was no armoured division by 1936 however, the first such divisions were formed in 1938 as the 'Mobile Division' and the 'Mobile Division (Egypt).

... Yes, NOT 1940, but 1938. Get it right, DEV!

so hopfully they will fix it in the next patch

 

[son of liberty]

Historically several tank units were deployed in britain and egypt by 1936, namely 1st Royal Tank Regiment in egypt (7th Armoured Division), 2nd, 3rd, 5th (1st Armoured Division) and 6th (7th Armoured Division) in britain. Also cavalry regiments were mechanised and converted into armoured car regiment or armoured regiment, like The Queen's Bays (2nd Dragoon Guards) regiment (1st Armoured Division). There was no armoured division by 1936 however, the first such divisions were formed in 1938 as the 'Mobile Division' and the 'Mobile Division (Egypt).

... Yes, NOT 1940, but 1938. Get it right, DEV!

You do realize that regiments are smaller than brigades and thus not generally modeled in the game, right?
It would take a minimum of 2 regiments to equal 1 brigade. Armor brigades are available from the start. The thing with using armor at the divisional level is not a technological issue, it is a doctrinal one. That is why you have to research the armor formation doctrine before you can have armored divisions. Make sense now?

 

[Admiral Fischer]

You do realize that regiments are smaller than brigades and thus not generally modeled in the game, right?
It would take a minimum of 2 regiments to equal 1 brigade. Armor brigades are available from the start. The thing with using armor at the divisional level is not a technological issue, it is a doctrinal one. That is why you have to research the armor formation doctrine before you can have armored divisions. Make sense now?

You are right. As i said:

There was no armoured division by 1936 however, the first such divisions were formed in 1938 as the 'Mobile Division' and the 'Mobile Division (Egypt).

... Yes, NOT 1940, but 1938. Get it right, DEV!

Make sense now?

 

[son of liberty]

Looking at the unit's OOB, it would seem that no actual "armor" was assigned until march of 39

Second World War formation

The order of battle was as follows:[9]
[edit] Artillery

2nd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery 24/08/42-26/09/44
4th Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery 21/09/42-25/10/43
11th Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery 24/08/42-26/09/44

60th Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery 01/04/44-26/09/44
76th Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery 22/09/42-31/03/44

42nd Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, Royal Artillery 26/09/42-05/10/44

[edit] Engineers

1st Field Squadron, Royal Engineers 01/02/40-04/02/42; 02/09/42-29/09/44
7th Field Squadron, Royal Engineers 23/10/40-19/03/42; 01/10/42-20/08/44
627th Field Squadron, Royal Engineers 21/08/44-29/09/44

1st Field Park Squadron, Royal Engineers 03/07/40-25/08/44
631st Field Park Squadron, Royal Engineers 26/08/44-29/09/44

1st Field Park Troop, Royal Engineers 01/08/40-02/07/40

27th Bridging Troop, Royal Engineers 18/10/43-25/08/44

[edit] Signals

1st Armoured Division Signals, Royal Corps of Signals 03/09/39-17/12/44

[edit] Reconnaissance

12th Lancers 01/11/40-12/05/42; 13/09/42-06/04/44
1st The Royal Dragoons 12/05/42-13/09/42
4th Hussars 23/05/44-25/09/44

[edit] Brigades

2nd Light Armoured Brigade 03/09/39-14/04/40
1st Heavy Armoured Brigade 03/09/39-14/04/40
1st Support Group 03/09/39-11/02/42
2nd Armoured Brigade 14/04/40-25/09/44
3rd Armoured Brigade 14/04/40-04/10/40
22nd Armoured Brigade 14/10/40-07/11/41
200th Guards Brigade Group 12/02/42-20/05/42
201st Guard Brigade Group 21/05/42-14/06/42
7th Motor Brigade 23/09/42-19/07/43
18th Lorried Infantry Brigade 20/07/43-16/02/44
18th Infantry Brigade 05/10/43-16/02/44; 17/08/44-28/10/44

This apparently started as a cavalry brigade(or it could be considered an armored brigade with those armored regiments) with a tank regiment.

After the Munich Crisis, elements of what would become the 7th Armoured Division arrived in the Middle East in 1938 to increase British strength in Egypt.

The 'Mobile Force' was established on the coast some 120 miles (190 km) west of Alexandria. It was formed from the Cairo Cavalry Brigade (three armoured regiments, the 7th Hussars, the 8th Hussars, and 11th Hussars) and the 1st Royal Tank Regiment (RTR) supported by 3rd Regiment Royal Horse Artillery (RHA) and a company of Royal Army Service Corps (RASC) and a Field Ambulance unit. It was joined by a battalion of the King's Royal Rifle Corps and then its first commander, Major-General Percy Hobart later "creator" of the Funnies of the Normandy Invasion. Hobart was an armoured warfare expert and saw that his troops were properly prepared to fight in the desert despite their poor equipment. Stewart Henry Perowne, the Public Relations Attaché at the British Embassy in Baghdad perhaps uncharitably referred to the unit as the "Mobile Farce" because it included some obsolete tanks like the Vickers Medium Mark II.[4]

It was later upgraded to an armored division 1939-1940. I don't play UK, but this "should" be doable in game.

 

[Admiral Fischer]

Looking at the unit's OOB, it would seem that no actual "armor" was assigned until march of 39

Nope. Read the OOB again, it's D/M/Y.

And by the way, as you can see from the OOB, by 1939 the 1st Armoured Division had two armoured brigades; 1st Heavy Armoured Brigade and 2nd Light Armoured Brigade.

1st Heavy Armoured Brigade was formed by 2nd, 3rd, 5th Royal Tank Regiment. 2nd Light Armoured Brigade was formed by Queen's Bays (2nd Dragoon Guards) Regiment, 10th Royal Hussars Regiment, and 9th Lancers Regiment. All of these regiments were either tank regiments (2,3,5 RTR), or were being mechanised (Queen's Bays, 10th Hussars and 9th Lancers) by 1936.

So basically half of its armoured components already did existed as armoured unit by 1936. Other half was just getting mechanised to become armoured unit.

This apparently started as a cavalry brigade(or it could be considered an armored brigade with those armored regiments) with a tank regiment.

All these three hussar regiments were already in the process of mechanisation by 1936 (not 1939-1940) and would form 'Light Armoured Brigade' of the Mobile Division (Egypt) in October 1938. In case of 11th Hussars the mechanisation started in 1929.

It was later upgraded to an armored division 1939-1940. I don't play UK, but this "should" be doable in game.

Not every regiments in Mobile Division (Egypt) were mechanised cavalry regiment. Not only 1st Royal Tank Regiment but also 6th Royal Tank Regiment was there to form a brigade with 1st RTR.