Gearing Bonuses

[franc001sher]

IMO it can be divided into two parts: the experience from the similar weapons (HOI3 style) and the length of the current series (HOI2 style).

Edit: Is it better to have both of those factors in HOI4?

 

[Fawr]

IMO the HOI3 style was a much better system. The HOI2 system was a micromanagement mess, and the HOI3 system gets the big picture right in a way which is both simple and effective.

 

[FOARP]

IMO the HOI3 style was a much better system. The HOI2 system was a micromanagement mess, and the HOI3 system gets the big picture right in a way which is both simple and effective.

AoD system rules, HOI3 drools. Yes, you should gain more experience the more you build, building times should shrink the longer a production line runs, AND you should be able to upgrade and extend your production runs.

 

[ingwe]

AoD system rules, HOI3 drools. Yes, you should gain more experience the more you build, building times should shrink the longer a production line runs, AND you should be able to upgrade and extend your production runs.

I agree. If one knows that a ton of one thing is ordered, they will make improvements to the production line to eke out extra efficiency. The "cooking practicals" nonsense in HOI3 annoyed me. It worked okay, but it didn't feel accurate.

 

[Cpack]

I agree. If one knows that a ton of one thing is ordered, they will make improvements to the production line to eke out extra efficiency. The "cooking practicals" nonsense in HOI3 annoyed me. It worked okay, but it didn't feel accurate.

I think the HOI3 way is not bad, but my problem with it is the intransparency of the impact. (How much day's and/or IC less do I get due to practicals / research)

 

[scroggin]

IMO it can be divided into two parts: the experience from the similar weapons (HOI3 style) and the length of the current series (HOI2 style).

I want a blend of the two in HOI4 both factors give more efficiency

 

[franc001sher]

I want a blend of the two in HOI4 both factors give more efficiency

Yeah. And this is why I post this topic.
According to the DD 2, it seems that PI is planning to use the HOI2 style. But IMO it is not all round.

 

[scroggin]

Yeah. And this is why I post this topic.
According to the DD 2, it seems that PI is planning to use the HOI2 style. But IMO it is not all round.

We have been told they will use a Production line gearing system but when I quizzed podcat if it would be purely a Production line gearing system he said wait for a DD. So A blend could still be possible. In My opinion a blend would be the most realistic.
I don't know much about the practicalities of programming it.

 

[franc001sher]

We have been told they will use a Production line gearing system but when I quizzed podcat if it would be purely a Production line gearing system he said wait for a DD. So A blend could still be possible. In My opinion a blend would be the most realistic.
I don't know much about the practicalities of programming it.

Hope so, a mixture system.

 

[Alex_brunius]

I really liked the AoD "retooling time" concept.

What would happen in reality is that the more units you are expected to deliver per month, the longer time it would take to set up the assembly line = longer retooling time. Especially early in the war before you have experience with large scale assembly line production.

So for HoI4 I would like to see a general practical value for each branch representing the overall knowledge of producing something. This would impact mainly retooling time in such a way that you only can build the really huge assembly lines capable of spitting out thousands of units a month late war when you had lots of experience. Attempting to do this early on should be possible but result in your IC being "locked" retooling ( and thus useless ) for say 6-12 months or so before it's all set up to spit out large amounts of units. This is also a trade off since even the first tank rolling of the production line will be using up to 1 year old technology.

The simple formula is that the more units you expect to build in total, the more worth it it becomes to delay production start a bit to spend more time on perfecting the assembly line.

It would also be cool if this is a player input choice (for example via a slider):

Lets say I'm launching a new production line of a future tank, I may want to move the production start one month ahead to increase production from 200 to 220 units per month, even if I know that it will take 11 months to "break even" before I will have gotten an equal amount of tanks out of the line.

Or if I badly need a heavy tank ASAP I may put the slider maximum in the other direction = I don't care if you have to assemble them manually on by one in a workshop, I need those tanks now!

 

[ingwe]

I really liked the AoD "retooling time" concept.

What would happen in reality is that the more units you are expected to deliver per month, the longer time it would take to set up the assembly line = longer retooling time. Especially early in the war before you have experience with large scale assembly line production.

So for HoI4 I would like to see a general practical value for each branch representing the overall knowledge of producing something. This would impact mainly retooling time in such a way that you only can build the really huge assembly lines capable of spitting out thousands of units a month late war when you had lots of experience. Attempting to do this early on should be possible but result in your IC being "locked" retooling ( and thus useless ) for say 6-12 months or so before it's all set up to spit out large amounts of units. This is also a trade off since even the first tank rolling of the production line will be using up to 1 year old technology.

The simple formula is that the more units you expect to build in total, the more worth it it becomes to delay production start a bit to spend more time on perfecting the assembly line.

It would also be cool if this is a player input choice (for example via a slider):

Lets say I'm launching a new production line of a future tank, I may want to move the production start one month ahead to increase production from 200 to 220 units per month, even if I know that it will take 11 months to "break even" before I will have gotten an equal amount of tanks out of the line.

Or if I badly need a heavy tank ASAP I may put the slider maximum in the other direction = I don't care if you have to assemble them manually on by one in a workshop, I need those tanks now!

That sounds awesome. Though is the length of time you mentioned reasonable? I don't have any facts to back it up, but that sounds like a long time.

 

[Centurion1973]

I really liked the AoD "retooling time" concept.

What would happen in reality is that the more units you are expected to deliver per month, the longer time it would take to set up the assembly line = longer retooling time. Especially early in the war before you have experience with large scale assembly line production.

So for HoI4 I would like to see a general practical value for each branch representing the overall knowledge of producing something. This would impact mainly retooling time in such a way that you only can build the really huge assembly lines capable of spitting out thousands of units a month late war when you had lots of experience. Attempting to do this early on should be possible but result in your IC being "locked" retooling ( and thus useless ) for say 6-12 months or so before it's all set up to spit out large amounts of units. This is also a trade off since even the first tank rolling of the production line will be using up to 1 year old technology.

The simple formula is that the more units you expect to build in total, the more worth it it becomes to delay production start a bit to spend more time on perfecting the assembly line.

It would also be cool if this is a player input choice (for example via a slider):

Lets say I'm launching a new production line of a future tank, I may want to move the production start one month ahead to increase production from 200 to 220 units per month, even if I know that it will take 11 months to "break even" before I will have gotten an equal amount of tanks out of the line.

Or if I badly need a heavy tank ASAP I may put the slider maximum in the other direction = I don't care if you have to assemble them manually on by one in a workshop, I need those tanks now!

Sounds great and I hope we will see something like that in HoI4.

 

[scroggin]

Here are some quotes from the development diary No2 the first and third are podcats

Production
We wanted a more interesting industry model that offered a compelling reason not to always use the latest technology, as well as adding more unit flavor in HoI4. To accomplish this we developed a model where you no longer build full divisions and aircraft wings one at a time; instead, you create production lines to pump out individual vehicles. The longer you run a single production line the more efficient it gets at producing that piece of equipment, and the choice of when to switch over to, say, a newer tank model becomes tricky. Is the war effort best served by a shiny new Tiger that can outclass the competition, or would you rather have 20 Panzer IVs?

will you ability to build a particular model of tank efficiently be decided purely by the amount of that particular model you have built, or will previous experience building other models be of some benefit.

The whole system will be explained in a future production line diary

obviously they are into the development of a production line gearing system and suggestions we make are probably more likely to be used if they are about a refinement of this, rather than a replacement.