Gavelkind?

[bestbrian]

The Pope calls a crusade for Sicily, I (King of Castille) join in, and we win. Mr Pontiff grants me the title of King of Sicily, and I get the island plus Malta. A few years later I usurp the Duke title, and give it to one of my relatives. Now, Castille is Agnatic-Cognatic Elective, but for some reason the Ducy of Sicily is now Agnatic-Gavelkind. Why is that? Shouldn't it have the same succession laws as Castille, or at least Sicily (which is also Agnatic-Cognatic Elective)? How would I change things from gavelkind?

 

[icon41gimp]

When you usurp the title it retrains the original succession it had, but will follow your primary title as long as you hold it. If you grant the duchy to someone without a duchy or higher title, its original succession will take precedence. As long as you are a king you cannot change the duchy's laws.

 

[bestbrian]

When you usurp the title it retrains the original succession it had, but will follow your primary title as long as you hold it. If you grant the duchy to someone without a duchy or higher title, its original succession will take precedence. As long as you are a king you cannot change the duchy's laws.

Seriously? So, no matter what my laws are, as soon as I land someone on that Duchy it reverts back to whatever succession laws it originally had? What if I destroy the title, and then recreate it? Would that reset it to my succession laws?

 

[Dracko81]

If you have elective as a succession law, titles granted by you will revert to gavelkind. Just like with creating higher titles. From what I understand this is WAD. Elective is not a transferable succession from different titles.

 

[KPJ]

Well, claimants are based on the laws of the title... so why would the laws of the title change when you put a claimant into that title?

"This guy is the rightful heir to the title... and now that we've got him in place the laws for who becomes the rightful heir shall change."

It doesn't make sense to me, am I missing something?

 

[Phibs]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...itial-Succession-laws-of-newly-granted-titles

Same thing that bothered me, I think.

 

[Dracko81]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?644163-Why-always-the-Agnatic-Gavelkind

Pretty sure this is all WAD. Create higher title with elective, revert to gavelkind. Hand out titles with elective, revert to gavelkind.

This is only in regards to elective and not other succession laws.

Elective shouldn't transfer between titles, otherwise HRE would have major issues and I'd think this is the reason for electives seperate rules.

 

[Phibs]

This may be WAD, still it'd be nice if the laws of my realm would overwrite the "historical" succession laws somehow attached to gained territories when handing them out.
Or if we had the ability to change the default laws of lower held titles.

 

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Seriously? So, no matter what my laws are, as soon as I land someone on that Duchy it reverts back to whatever succession laws it originally had? What if I destroy the title, and then recreate it? Would that reset it to my succession laws?

The Ai usually puts Primo in if it can.

So you can raise CA to High in the Kingdom of Sicily and the AI will likely attempt to change the law themselves.