Gavelkind in 1.06b?

[newuser99]

In my current game Gavelkind seems to be a little funny. I am King of Wales, capital in York with many English duchies.

This is my current familiar setup:

Ruler --First-born daughter(dead) -- **grandson**
--Second-born daughter -- only daughters
--Third-born (and-only) **son** -- many grandchildren

To the best of my knowledge if you have a single son, regardless of any number of daughters then that son gets everything as if Primo. In the above setup however the game's tooltips very firmly divvy up the lands between my grandson (listed as primary title heir) through my first daughter and my son. Crown laws for Wales is Agnatic-Cognetic and for England is Agnatic-Only, but I don't see how that's relevant with one son on the scene.

My wife (of Normandy) had Gavelkind and died. She gave Normandy to our grandson and a lesser county title to son. I'm not sure if this is working as intended, is this how Gavelkind is supposed to work?

 

[0Emmanuel]

I believe Gavelkind actually always worked like that. All descendants get a piece of the pie (except maybe great-grandchildren, there is some funny business going on three generations down). They are ranked by seniority of line.
Also, is your first grandson from a matrilineal marriage? Agnatic only checks whether the possible heirs are male and of your dynasty, meaning lineage can be traced through females in matrilineal marriages.

 

[newuser99]

Also, is your first grandson from a matrilineal marriage?

You know it *was* matrilineal. (I was afraid I'd only get daughters after the first two. The third son was a 'surprise') I did not know it was supposed to work that way.

Agnatic only checks whether the possible heirs are male and of your dynasty, meaning lineage can be traced through females in matrilineal marriages.

I guess this explains why recently when I elevated a matrilineally married (to my daughter) duke he kept trying to make his foreign-power-eldest-brother his heir instead of his first born son. (of my dynasty) He would rather let his own dynasty inherit then let his very own son inherit...

 

[newuser99]

Agnatic only checks whether the possible heirs are male and of your dynasty, meaning lineage can be traced through females in matrilineal marriages.

I guess I still think it's odd that a grandson through a (first-born) daughter (even matrilineally married) is favored over a ruler's own (and only) son. But maybe that's how it is supposed to work.

 

[pfried]

Is the grandson older than your ruler's son?

 

[newuser99]

Is the grandson older than your ruler's son?

I don't remember offhand, he might be older by a couple years come to think about it....Ah-ha...Oh!


If that's truly the case, then that's something else! I wonder if there is a precedent for that.

 

[0Emmanuel]

I don't remember offhand, he might be older by a couple years come to think about it....Ah-ha...Oh!


If that's truly the case, then that's something else! I wonder if there is a precedent for that.

That would be interesting. As I said, I always assumed it was seniority of line.

 

[pfried]

I'm pretty positive that an older grandson takes precedence over a younger son in an agnatic-cognatic succession line, at least that has been the case for me thus far. Your primary heir is really just your oldest legitimate male descendant.

 

[Fawr]

This should be a bug.

Under Agnatic-Cognetic women should only be considered if there are no male heirs.

 

[unmerged(431840)]

This is a bug. Please report it on the bug reporting forum. I don't know if it has always worked this way but it certainly shouldn't work that way. I think that primogeniture is bugged as well. Or more likely, is suffering from the same bug that is allowing inheritance to pass through female lines when male lines exist.