gamespot users ripping paradox a new one

[Strager]

Hey guys-- check this out and if you have permissions over there go paste a response to these morons - they are commenting on 3 based on information on 2 -- stuff like "The manual for this game sucks" etc. -- what the heck! For a game that I haven't yet seen a bad review for, and whos demo is awesome (if a bit buggy) it drives me nuts that people will read this and not give the game a chance....

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[minority]

I'm weirded out. There's a guy talkin' bout manuals for a game not out yet and about Tax levels being Low or High. I never knew you could set tax levels in EU3, or any EU game for that matter...

cheers

 

[Strager]

I'm weirded out. There's a guy talkin' bout manuals for a game not out yet and about Tax levels being Low or High. I never knew you could set tax levels in EU3, or any EU game for that matter...

cheers

He's talkin about the treasury slider methinks

 

[JaguarUSF]

I left some choice comments for him. I love it when people say things as though they are facts when they actually have no clue since the full game isn't out yet and only game reviewers have seen the final product.

 

[unmerged(36228)]

I reported him to the mods. Thats unfactual slander and cannot be allowed. That comment thread is for opinions, not making slanderous statements.
Id encourge you all to report the post. It should be taken down fairly soon.

 

[Strager]

I agree with that one needing a report.... but some of the others are nearly as bad...and other users are commenting "oh than I guess I wont get the game" as a result -- makes me sad....

 

[EUnderhill]

I left some choice comments for him. I love it when people say things as though they are facts when they actually have no clue since the full game isn't out yet and only game reviewers have seen the final product.

Thank you because I couldn't as I have not reached (and do not know how to reach) such a level as to have posting privileges despite having registered.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Added a slightly less hostile message
I'm not sure how you guys read him as being so hateful that you'd report him to the mods.

It kind of scares me that you do, actually. I would not say you're doing new players any favours that way..

 

[Duuk]

Most of the comments are spot-on.

- The text is almost unreadable, cramped, with poorly chosen colors.

- There is little to no feedback on decisions (would a disablable pop-up window for "this is what I clicked on the slider" kill you?)

- Mouseover text doesn't explain good from bad/positives or negatives

- the map is ugly. big time ugly. As in fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down ugly. The art team should be drinking heavily and pondering new careers, because the art is a resume stain at best.

As to the manual, I assume the manual is worthwhile since the last 2 manuals have been pretty good. Although I miss the "history background" from the older games.

For someone experienced with Pdox games, it's more of the same. For someone that, like many of the commenters stated, usually played AOE or Civ, the game is mostly staring at the screen and asking, "What do I do?"

I'm massively underwhelmed with the demo and I'm hoping that when EU3 arrives that the full retail version is much better or I'll be done playing it by wednesday, secure in the knowledge that Paradox has caused me to waste more money. If EU3 does that, I'll add Paradox games to my list with cdv of companies that make games that really, really look like I'd love them... except they fail to deliver. I'm not sure what has happened with the last few releases, but the games just aren't what they were, and the long-term fixes and support aren't there either. We're *still* waiting for the rest of the fixes for VR, CK is dead, HOI2 got an "expansion" instead of a patch... etc.

 

[unmerged(503)]

hmmm I will say from what ive seen in the demo im concerned about the AI's logic train. I have seen for example while playing saxony, a brandenburg overrun by a rebellion, in which the rebels began in one province, took it, then advanced defeating the home army in three battles and progressively taking the entire country...

THEN! a new king arises and well quite frankly, amazed me, he (who was my allie also) decides to declare war on bohemia and overruns it while it also was fighting a rebellion of some sort(note here is the AI exploiting bohemia's real moment of weakness, and that it rebounded so quickly from the apparent rebellion/civil war it so recently experienced).

cool stuff...

 

[unmerged(44893)]

Hmmm I wouldn't take the filth that are the gamespot forums too seriously. Some of their reviews aren't to be taken too seriously either, their standards as with most review sites have gone down over time.
The median posting age over there is probably 7 by the looks of it. I got banned within 6 hours of signing up, only because I tried to 'straighten' some of the youngsters out. Sadly they all jump on a bandwagon and report you to some indifferent mod that doesn't know what the hell is going on.

 

[Alexandru H.]

Sometimes the Paradox fanboism gets too annoying for its own sake. Reporting someone just because he happens not to like the demo? I am a EU2 lover, but even I wish for a EU3 game engine on a EU2 map. There are some glaring problems with the game (the first one being its lack of optimization when it comes to the memory issue) and Paradox should try to fix them. Of course, with this loyal gathering of fans, why should it? :wacko:

 

[Strager]

Sometimes the Paradox fanboism gets too annoying for its own sake. Reporting someone just because he happens not to like the demo? I am a EU2 lover, but even I wish for a EU3 game engine on a EU2 map. There are some glaring problems with the game (the first one being its lack of optimization when it comes to the memory issue) and Paradox should try to fix them. Of course, with this loyal gathering of fans, why should it? :wacko:

Well the reason I agree with him reporting the post is because he didn't even PLAY the demo -- he was making general incorrect statements about EU2 and saying they were the same for EU3. Did I mention he said EU3's manual sucks? Point proved.

 

[Alexandru H.]

Well the reason I agree with him reporting the post is because he didn't even PLAY the demo -- he was making general incorrect statements about EU2 and saying they were the same for EU3. Did I mention he said EU3's manual sucks? Point proved.

So? Most of us said we love EU3 even before we got a chance to play it...

 

[Strager]

So? Most of us said we love EU3 even before we got a chance to play it...

No...actually most of us said we loved the ideas they were planning on putting in.... at least thats what I was saying...even with some healthy criticism...

 

[PhileasFogg]

In the same post dude stated that one needed to play 30 games over weeks to understand the game, while stating several lines later that he had it all figured out :wacko:

If this is all true then logic dictates thusly:

he has had the full version of the game complete with manual for weeks :rofl:

AS IF!!!

 

[Alexandru H.]

You were offering healthy criticism when you did not know how the game will be then stopped this when you actually saw it perform. Fanboism

My point is: opinions are free, nobody should be forced to buy the game just because we flood the internet forums with all sorts of happy messages. By releasing the demo, Paradox feels the same way about the choice of purchase.

 

[Strager]

You were offering healthy criticism when you did not know how the game will be then stopped this when you actually saw it perform. Fanboism

My point is: opinions are free, nobody should be forced to buy the game just because we flood the internet forums with all sorts of happy messages. By releasing the demo, Paradox feels the same way about the choice of purchase.

I agree for the most part - the difference in opinion comes when people comment FALSE information in an attempt to dissuade people from even trying the game out. If he had tried the game, didn't like it and posted why-- more power to him.... but to say he's played it, the game sucked, the manual sucked etc. when theres no (very little chance anyway) way he could have..... that just strikes me as wrong...

 

[Sarmatia1871]

The important point you need to remember is that most people on these forums are only used to playing "standard" strategy games, eg. Total War, Civilization and Ages of Empires. These are all much simpler to play, generally give instant feedback on your actions, have clear victory conditions, and have nicer graphics and a better interface. Plus there's an expectation eyecandy and at least exciting animations in battles, leading to questions like...

I ma wondering how the battles work in the game since i kno this game has a better diplomacy and politics than MTW but i am curious how battles work since they are not this game's main focus.

It's therefore obvious that this audience isn't going to be immediately impressed with the EU3 demo, particularly as the advantages of the game (eg. gameplay depth) wouldn't neccessarily appeal to them and aren't immediately apparent in a demo which limits you to 30 years.

Plus, Paradox games take a lot of time to actually get into, and require some imagination and thought on the part of the player to work what exactly is happening - they require a bit more involvement and a time commitment before you can enjoy them properly. So, it's only really people who are fed up with the lack of depth and accuracy in standard strategy games, but who haven't yet heard of Paradox, who are generally going to be attracted.

 

[unmerged(12990)]

hmmm I will say from what ive seen in the demo im concerned about the AI's logic train. I have seen for example while playing saxony, a brandenburg overrun by a rebellion, in which the rebels began in one province, took it, then advanced defeating the home army in three battles and progressively taking the entire country...

THEN! a new king arises and well quite frankly, amazed me, he (who was my allie also) decides to declare war on bohemia and overruns it while it also was fighting a rebellion of some sort(note here is the AI exploiting bohemia's real moment of weakness, and that it rebounded so quickly from the apparent rebellion/civil war it so recently experienced).

cool stuff...

Something similar happened in my game as Portugal. I was allied with England, and he got some pretty big rebellions. He had thousands of troops, yet they just STOOD there and let the rebs take a lot of his provinces, and even form Wales. Only then did he move ONE regiment to try and retake ONE province. That was pretty funky. :rofl:
But this IS the demo, so I expect this stuff will be tweaked in the full game.