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I wasn't comparing the exclusivity of this and the signup campaign, I was calling attention to the fact that the freeing up of the content from the signup campaign was due to Paradox's realization that locking away content (permanently or behind an unreasonably high paywall doesn't matter) would just end up annoying their playerbase.



I haven't played it either, but I have played the one they did for HoI4, and I've taken a look at the store reviews. The general sentiment seems to be that the app is already overpriced - and that's if you are actually interested in the app and not just the DLC.

The name of the music is a connection, otherwise I haven't played the game as I said, so I don't know whether either event chain - one being the player mourning the loss of a friend or family member to the Black Death and the other being them falling in love with their liege's wife - relates to the story.



I paid full price too and wouldn't care if Paradox gave this away for free. Since the files were included in the patch I have determined it's possible to get them working anyway (trying to avoid the ire of the mods here). Despite this, I still went ahead and bought the DLC, since until now the respect Paradox has treated their customers with has more than justified treating them with respect back. To be clear, I voluntarily paid that money to further support the developers.
EDIT: Just thought to add this, the content wouldn't need to be free, but it would have to be offered at a suitably low price point. They sell packs of music for under 2£, so one piece of music + 2 event chains could go for 0.79£, though even that might be on the expensive side tbh. At that point you can consider it as being "75% off" while you got it full price if it makes you feel better.

My issue here is that this practice might go on, which is something I cannot support, and secondly that other players are now missing out. Call it timed exclusivity if you want, pay for the app and get it, say, 6 months early sound good?

Unreasonably high? 4.99€ isn't particularly high price and with that you get both a mobile game and stuff added to the main game. And I think that "gamebook DLC" has more content than for example Europa Universalis IV: National Monuments II DLC which was worth 1.99€. If we reduce this value from the total price, we can consider that the app itself is worth 3€. To me this doesn't sound like it is unreasonably expensive. Even 5€ just for gamebook isn't that much and personally I don't actually expect that 5€ game is particularly good. I expect that from 50€ game, but for 5€ game it is enough if it gives hour or two of mild enjoyment.

In any case I bought the gamebook because of the main game stuff and if it would be made free for all then I would have wasted my money for nothing. (Although if the gamebook can actually offer that hour of mild enjoyment then it is probably worth that 5€ even without the main game additions).
 
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Unreasonably high? 4.99€ isn't particularly high price and with that you get both a mobile game and stuff added to the main game. And I think that "gamebook DLC" has more content than for example Europa Universalis IV: National Monuments II DLC which was worth 1.99€. If we reduce this value from the total price, we can consider that the app itself is worth 3€. To me this doesn't sound like it is unreasonably expensive. Even 5€ just for gamebook isn't that much and personally I don't actually expect that 5€ game is particularly good. I expect that from 50€ game, but for 5€ game it is enough if it gives hour or two of mild enjoyment.

In any case I bought the gamebook because of the main game stuff and if it would be made free for all then I would have wasted my money for nothing. (Although if the gamebook can actually offer that hour of mild enjoyment then it is probably worth that 5€ even without the main game additions).

There is no way that 4£ for two event chains and a music track is justifiable. We can easily attach a price to a music track because Paradox sells music bundles, we don't need to compare the price to bundles of other content and estimate something that would be reasonable because we already know how much Paradox considers music tracks to be worth. The music track is easily the most valuable bit of content in the DLC, so the value here is quite low.

If you can get that value from the gamebook, fine. But for people who don't care about the gamebook and only buy it for the main game content, they are paying an exorbitant amount for a tiny bit of content.

Look at this from the point of view of buying it for the DLC, and the gamebook is the extra bonus instead of the other way around and then you should be able to see the problem. You might say this is a silly way to look at it, but for people who don't game on their phones, or even have a phone that can run this app, this is exactly the proposition they are faced with.

EDIT: Also, about you now expecting a 5 euro game to not be very good, in the mobile sphere this is already on the expensive side for apps. You need to compare prices in relative terms, and in that market yes, 5 euros demands a certain level of quality as they are competing with swarms of free / 2 euro apps.
 
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There is no way that 4£ for two event chains and a music track is justifiable. We can easily attach a price to a music track because Paradox sells music bundles, we don't need to compare the price to bundles of other content and estimate something that would be reasonable because we already know how much Paradox considers music tracks to be worth. The music track is easily the most valuable bit of content in the DLC, so the value here is quite low.

If you can get that value from the gamebook, fine. But for people who don't care about the gamebook and only buy it for the main game content, they are paying an exorbitant amount for a tiny bit of content.

Look at this from the point of view of buying it for the DLC, and the gamebook is the extra bonus instead of the other way around and then you should be able to see the problem. You might say this is a silly way to look at it, but for people who don't game on their phones, or even have a phone that can run this app, this is exactly the proposition they are faced with.

EDIT: Also, about you now expecting a 5 euro game to not be very good, in the mobile sphere this is already on the expensive side for apps. You need to compare prices in relative terms, and in that market yes, 5 euros demands a certain level of quality as they are competing with swarms of free / 2 euro apps.

Like I said few times in this thread, I bought the gamebook just for the main game content and I consider the gamebook as something which I got as an extra. However, my personal view doesn't change the the fact the main beef in this expansion is the gamebook app and the main game content are just something extra for those who bought the app. Because of that we can't ignore the app when we count the value of this bundle. People who don't consider that the app and the main game content are worth the price have right to vote with their wallet.

This was the first mobile app I have ever bought (I got the Hearts of Iron gamebook as a pre-order bonus), so I don't know how much mobile apps normally cost.
 
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Thanks for the song even though I didn't buy the book (I just stumbled upon the song "The Guy de Rose's Quandry" in the game folder). Very nice song!

Edit: Sorry if someone already mentioned it, I didn't read the entire 8 pages of the thread I'm afraid.
 

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From CK2 wiki:
A spin-off interactive novel called Crusader Kings: Chronicles, that unlocks an exclusive song when completed.

I complete the Crusader Kings: Chronicles gamebook, to the Epilogue chapter,
but in CK2 game, I click next song button, never play Guy de Rose’s Quandry track,
my context sensitive music option is ON, help, thanks.
 

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From CK2 wiki:
A spin-off interactive novel called Crusader Kings: Chronicles, that unlocks an exclusive song when completed.

I complete the Crusader Kings: Chronicles gamebook, to the Epilogue chapter,
but in CK2 game, I click next song button, never play Guy de Rose’s Quandry track,
my context sensitive music option is ON, help, thanks.
Turn your Context Sensitive Music setting off.
 
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Sorry, I didn't read all 8 pages of this forum, but how do you get the new content for Crusader Kings II if you own Crusader Kings: Chronicles for mobile phone? Like how do you activate additional content in CK2?
 

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Sorry, I didn't read all 8 pages of this forum, but how do you get the new content for Crusader Kings II if you own Crusader Kings: Chronicles for mobile phone? Like how do you activate additional content in CK2?
Understandable that you didn't want to read 8 pages. But, how about the opening post...
 
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It'd be great if there was a better way to know if we have it then randomly cycling through songs until we see it. A bit of a halting problem there, since there is no way to prove I don't have it working if the RNG is messing with you. Other DLC has a icon or entry in the launcher, but this content is done in kind of a strange way.

They should have created a key for the DLC and had it appear in the keys section of your forum account if the account is linked in the Chronicles game. They've done other promotional-type DLCs this way (South Indian Portraits, Evangelicals Unit Pack EU4), why not do this one the same?
 
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Yeaaah, I tried it for quite a while but didn't see the song in song list

I decided to try disconnecting and reconnecting paradox and steam accounts if that would help
 

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Yeaaah, I tried it for quite a while but didn't see the song in song list

I decided to try disconnecting and reconnecting paradox and steam accounts if that would help
Try turning off the Context Sensitive Music option and try again. I don't remember if they fixed it in the latest patch or not.
 
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Patch did say they fixed that

Well anyway, I did find it with context sensitive turned off. After long cycling through list randomly. I wonder if game counts it as context sensitive and never plays it normally?
 

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It'd be great if there was a better way to know if we have it then randomly cycling through songs until we see it. A bit of a halting problem there, since there is no way to prove I don't have it working if the RNG is messing with you. Other DLC has a icon or entry in the launcher, but this content is done in kind of a strange way.

They should have created a key for the DLC and had it appear in the keys section of your forum account if the account is linked in the Chronicles game. They've done other promotional-type DLCs this way (South Indian Portraits, Evangelicals Unit Pack EU4), why not do this one the same?

The app also gave me a push notification that I have unlocked main game content, although I got that message only a day after I had actually unlocked the content.
 

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The app also gave me a push notification that I have unlocked main game content, although I got that message only a day after I had actually unlocked the content.

Interesting, I have never received such a notification. When I logged in, it didn't really give me a sense that anything happened at all.
 
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