I've beat the Ottomans early to mid game only a few times before (once as Austria when their ally Aq Qoyunlu took one of the Ottomans claims in Karaman and expanded themselves into Qara Qoyunlu. Leaving Ottomans unable to expand east because their ally was in the way allowing me to declare on them via Hungry claim. Another is when I played as Poland and I allied Byzantium hoping to prevent Ottomans from growing and I got a free PU on them. I was able to ally with Austria/Hungry and Mamluks and just beat them down. Both these times I was a lucky with being the first being Ottomans unable to expand themselves and the second that I was able to get strong allies and just steamroll them. I also like to beat Ottomans at the start of the game as Mamluks while they have all their troops in Venice and I can wipe their navy alongside Venice and control the strait. I'm not the best player so most of the time I just avoid them or even try to ally them if I can and if they won't be expanding near to me anytime soon
Game ruined - again- by the Ottomans
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I meant that they had loans rather than me. The AI has a tendency to end up with 1000s of ducats in loans so they won't honour defensive calls.
Having loans isn't a huge issue. If you find yourself taking loans in a war then you can always take cash and war reps from the enemy as part of the peace deal rather than just taking land. This has an added benefit of forcing the enemy nation to take loans which they will often struggle to pay off which makes the next war easier.
Many have suggested what you should be improving to play EU4 already.
I'll be suggesting: try to play the Ottomans. Know their difficulty and then use it to your advantage in the next anti-Ottoman game.
I'll be suggesting: try to play the Ottomans. Know their difficulty and then use it to your advantage in the next anti-Ottoman game.
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Weekly nerf ottoman thread..
I will say ottomans are nerfed enough already.
It was WAY worse a couple years ago. Otto blobbed into india ThoSe days.
In topic: offer otto land from allies to get out. Problem solved.
Next time considet what you can do with game options before yelling the game is broken.
I will say ottomans are nerfed enough already.
It was WAY worse a couple years ago. Otto blobbed into india ThoSe days.
In topic: offer otto land from allies to get out. Problem solved.
Next time considet what you can do with game options before yelling the game is broken.
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Hell you can attack Ottomans as Byzantium 6 months into the game with only Albania to help and win.
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In your game maybe, but very well documented for them to cross into at least Austria, sometimes Venezia, and Bohemia. Even had them get Moscow one game
Yeh fabricate on Duhkaldir and Ottomans at the same time, the second you have finished war with Duhkaldir you get claim on Ottomans border, hoping they're in war with Venice or Byz
Well I've seen him ranted quite a bit, while he does know what he's talking about, I kinda doubt he have played a lot of game if he never saw Ottomans expanding into central europe even once.
In my current game as Russia in 1650 I've had one war with Ottomans, in about 1580, to dislodge him from Crimea, take his Indian Ocean and Spice Island colonies from him and I took Constantinople off him, too, as a FU.
I think I timed that war because he was at war with Hungary and Austria and I didn't want him to eat them up, but it doesn't seem to have hampered the Ottoman expansion through the Balkans much, he's pretty much into Budapest and Vienna, although Venice seems to be hanging in there somehow...meanwhile Mamluks, Libya, Arabia amd Iraq are all pale green, and yet Ottomans don't seem to suffer from revolts or over-expansion....must be some magical buffs at play I guess...
I think I timed that war because he was at war with Hungary and Austria and I didn't want him to eat them up, but it doesn't seem to have hampered the Ottoman expansion through the Balkans much, he's pretty much into Budapest and Vienna, although Venice seems to be hanging in there somehow...meanwhile Mamluks, Libya, Arabia amd Iraq are all pale green, and yet Ottomans don't seem to suffer from revolts or over-expansion....must be some magical buffs at play I guess...
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Just good ideas and Lucky Nations, most likely. Not to mention the fact they always have enough men to stomp out rebellions with ease and a minimal loss of manpower.
With or without lucky nations on? Ive seen them eat Russia once with lucky nations on. Without it on, they never get very far. A strong commonwealth or Austria/Hungary always block them from going into central europe and they decide to go for the weaker states in Arabia or Mashriq/Persia instead.
Eh, I had a game where my Age bonus'd French troops with full quality + offensive were beaten up by AI Ottomans. Had to go revolutionary to get the upper hand against them.
What was the tech, what were your respective disciplines and morale, were the generals even
They don't suffer revolts because it's all sunni, and besides western Libya, all levantine culture. The Over extension modifier disappears once you core, and from what you described sounds like they're well within state limit. How new to the game are you?
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With lucky nations, but Austria gets lucky nation status, and Russia gets it from 1600 or so IIRC. Was kind of funny as France that in order to be Better Than Napoleon, I had to take Moscow off the turks
Iirc (save no longer exists and the game was like 4 months ago) it was the end of the 17th century, and I was 1 mil tech ahead. Discipline was even, morale I were ahead.
But Ottomans had like a 600k forcelimit (and used that force limit) while I had merely ~350k.
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Players never get Lucky Nations tho (unless Jan Mayen), meaning the argument of "they have lucky nation" is still valid for player vs AI.
Ive noticed that without lucky nations on, things tend to turn out quite ahistorical. Which is probably why they devised that mechanic in the first place.
Meiow!
Ottomans have unique magical buffs such as the one giving them -5 revolt risk in conquered territories to make sure they don't implode. They are custom-designed to *not* suffer the same kinds of problems other nations face.
Using gamey tactics to knacker them is of course easy, but it's no kind of proof that Ottomans haven't been deliberately made OP.
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Everyone gets -5 revolt risk in cored own-culture-group provinces when fighting a defensive war.
Of course, the Ottomans happen to have a particularly large culture group, because Turkish is folded into the same ("Levantine") group as the Arabs.
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Well that's nonsense, the Turks aren't even remotely "arab" and would be insulted to be called such.
It makes zero sense for the Ottomans to be able to conquer Egypt without any danger of revolts when at war with their capital occupied running at 12WE for 2 years.
No other country can do that.
The point isn't whether a player can beat them, the point is can the AI?
I haven't seen the AI beat the Ottomans for years, if ever.
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