just find another game, you are too bad at this one after thousands of hours. Austria is one of the most op nations in a player's hands rofl.
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Game ruined - again- by the Ottomans
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just find another game, you are too bad at this one after thousands of hours. Austria is one of the most op nations in a player's hands rofl.
This is nonsense on stilts. Austria is one of the stronger starts in the game.
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Unless your goal is a world conquest, the Ottomans really aren't a problem for any European country north or west of Venice-Austria-Poland-Lithuania-Muscovy. Yes, they may rival you if you are sole western Europe blob, but that probably won't happen until late game, when their units fall behind in PIPs. The trick to containing the Ottomans (or any other nation) is to ally them, then act like a normal player ally. AKA, use them as your wrecking ball, give them just enough to maintain trust, do a little as possible when called into war by them. If you don't have the Cossacks, call them into war as soon as possible even if you don't need their help, in order to prevent them from calling you into war.
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I categorically disagree with your suggestions.
I do agree that the Ottomans should be nerfed a bit, but not like that. Restricting a nation to only land it held historically completely defeats the alt-history intent of the game. One of the most interesting things is "what if x nation did better than they did in real life" and that should be applicable to every nation, not all but one.
As for the league war, non-protestants did join the protestant side though. Catholic France for one! Besides, if you restricted it solely to protestants you'd also be excluding any reformed nations within the HRE too, which would be ridiculous. HRE nations, at the very least, should be allowed to join without any restriction whatsoever.
I do agree that the Ottomans should be nerfed a bit, but not like that. Restricting a nation to only land it held historically completely defeats the alt-history intent of the game. One of the most interesting things is "what if x nation did better than they did in real life" and that should be applicable to every nation, not all but one.
As for the league war, non-protestants did join the protestant side though. Catholic France for one! Besides, if you restricted it solely to protestants you'd also be excluding any reformed nations within the HRE too, which would be ridiculous. HRE nations, at the very least, should be allowed to join without any restriction whatsoever.
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160k Ottoman stacks or force limit, sound p manageable. I generally just avoid fighting Otto Blob in first age due to disgusting 33% sige speed bonus, and then it's open question. Generally from mil tech 15, ur units combat pips are comerable or even better.
Dude, France fought against the Habsburg IRL. Joining the league isn't exactly the best way to handle it, but...
Yes, Ottomans are pretty ridiculous right now. I only play countries that can either ignore the Ottomans until much later (I.E. Colonial nations like England) or countries that can cripple the Ottomans early and keep hammering them until they're eradicated from the map so I can have a peaceful EU4 game (I.E. Byzantium, Venice).
Keep in mind that once the Ottomans start tumbling, they will tumble hard because every neighbor wants to eat their provinces so this can lead to some satisfying and brutal falls from grace for 1650-ish and later Ottomans if the player intervenes and starts their downward spiral.
Keep in mind that once the Ottomans start tumbling, they will tumble hard because every neighbor wants to eat their provinces so this can lead to some satisfying and brutal falls from grace for 1650-ish and later Ottomans if the player intervenes and starts their downward spiral.
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There's this thing called difficulty levels. If you can't beat the game can you just play on easy?
It's 2020 already, 7 years of people complaining about how "OP" Ottomans are and they are always nerfed.
Personally I find the Ottomans disgustingly weak, but I have options to increase difficulty. And so do you.
Technically, since their land is so big and AI movement so bad you can siege their capital without a single battle, with sea cannons.
Portugal can beat the Ottomans by 1460 on their own in less than 2 years with a couple of ships on any difficulty level.
It's 2020 already, 7 years of people complaining about how "OP" Ottomans are and they are always nerfed.
Personally I find the Ottomans disgustingly weak, but I have options to increase difficulty. And so do you.
Technically, since their land is so big and AI movement so bad you can siege their capital without a single battle, with sea cannons.
Portugal can beat the Ottomans by 1460 on their own in less than 2 years with a couple of ships on any difficulty level.
If they are ridiculous now, I wish to know when they weren't. Throughout the patches The Ottomans have consistently been weakened. Them not having cores or starting immediately at war with Albania was a major blow. Now if Ottomans declare war on Albania they can face Venice, Hungary and a trade league. Ottomans can't siege down Albania fast enough with it's mountain fort. Even The Mamluks can win against them, which was almost unheard of patches ago.
Nerfing Ottomans in the state they are in right now would be a major mistake. If you are bordering The Ottomans, you should expect to either be very good at diplomacy or bite the bullet and declare war on them. That is just how Ottoman expansion was like in real life.
If you keep retreating against Ottoman armies. You are doing something wrong, you made a mistake somewhere. And there are so many mistakes one person could make in this game. Sometimes they even forget things like scorch earth, which is extremely important in intense wars. In fact its so strong that it breaks the AI. They will almost never reinforce fast enough. Divide and conquer is very efficient.
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This is true. They start weakening a lot after some time. I don't remember having struggled with the Ottomans after having fought the League war. Try to rival the Ottoman rivals. Their land usually is quite attractive, and it will grant you a alliance with them. You likely won't have to fight them then, and in return you'll also slow them down a lot.
To me, the Turkish minors (and perhaps Byzantium) need a little buff. Just enough to rarely let them take over instead of the Ottos. But else, I must admit the Ottomans seem to be at the weak side already. The AI focuses too much on Hungary/Poland/Russia for expansion, and leaves the Mameluks as big as ever. The buff for the Ottomans I would like to see is actually a nerf to the Mameluks.
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Turn off lucky nations. No AI country in the game can survive the ottomans without human help if you don't do that, with the exception of venice in their very first war if Ottomans go for Albania first.
My last 15 or so starts have been as Trebizond or Circassia. I always get to the 1600's before the Ottos come knocking. By then its probably too late anyway.
I made a real rookie error earlier (showing my lack of play in the last year or so) when I got the perfect start with Circassia managing to annex most of Crimea, but then declaring on Genoa thinking the Emperor wouldn't get access to the Caucasus-how wrong i was lol.
To the OP, all the pain will be worth it when it pays off!
As France I would go Protestant so the league war would not be a factor, I usually do not fight the ottomans until after 1600 when I have a much larger force and the tech group pips of units are more even.
I do agree however that early game ottoman units are overtunned. Mamuluks start out with more development than Ottomans, but never defeat them.
I do agree however that early game ottoman units are overtunned. Mamuluks start out with more development than Ottomans, but never defeat them.
Kind of. Depends on what you consider what real-world events might be considered ‘joining’ the league in game terms. They supported the Protestants (who tried to convince them to help) and went to war with Poland (who were on the Catholic side of the war). While they were fighting the Poles, however, their Protestant allies were beaten, so they stayed out of the rest of the war.
This could be viewed as participation in the League War, but would probably be better represented as a separate war with Poland. However, there’s no real reason to stop them joining the league in the game. In reality, they didn’t get more involved because they happened to have a weak ruler at the time and were in the middle of a brutal war with Persia. The fact they weren’t Christian was irrelevant - it didn’t stop the Protestants from asking for their help.
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The Ottomans were the first power to support the Bohemians in the early days of the war. They were preparing a large army to intervene before Poland (allied to the Habsburgs) preemptively attacked them to stop it and fought to a stalemate. The Ottomans then got bogged down in Persia and couldn’t do much other than a minor war with Poland.
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What are you doing wrong as a player? As France if you're bordering Ottomans then you should have a hefty amount of land yourself and beat them on morale if nothing else.
As Sweden, conquer Scandinavia and Northern Germany first.
As Austria you should have reigned in Northern Italy, got Spain either in PU or as a strong ally, burgundian inheritance, skip the league wars by enforcing religion on the CoR.
Honestly just sounds like you don't know how the nation you pick is meant to work beforehand.
As Sweden, conquer Scandinavia and Northern Germany first.
As Austria you should have reigned in Northern Italy, got Spain either in PU or as a strong ally, burgundian inheritance, skip the league wars by enforcing religion on the CoR.
Honestly just sounds like you don't know how the nation you pick is meant to work beforehand.
If you lose as France, which is probably the second strongest country after the Ottomans, I don't know dude, just play correctly maybe or lower the difficulty?
Also, I'm not even a good player but the Ottomans are not a problem with Austria, you can have Hungary and Bohemia in PU through missions, if you manage to stay Emperor, you just destroy the Ottomans with good alliances
Also, I'm not even a good player but the Ottomans are not a problem with Austria, you can have Hungary and Bohemia in PU through missions, if you manage to stay Emperor, you just destroy the Ottomans with good alliances
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Why should the Ottomans, and only the Ottomans, be so forbidden?
Anyone with high military tradition can get 3-star generals (particularly if they also have Offensive Ideas).
Anyone with high dev, Quantity or Offensive ideas, and lots of money can get huge armies.
Why should the Ottomans, and only the Ottomans, be so forbidden?
I don't really care one way or another whether Muslims are banned from participating in the League War. (Honestly, I'd rather they just opportunistically attack whichever nearby Christians are distracted by the League War.)
I care very much about Catholic France being able to join the Protestant side, though, because that's exactly what they did, because the core principle of ancien régime French foreign policy from 1490 until the Revolution was, generally speaking, "stick it to the current Man With The Long Chin".
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