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Had a stab at the previous challenge and hasn't been able to go anywhere. Managed to get a claim on the bishopric south of me and got slaughtered. No other claims has come through. Married off daughter to the duke in the realm southwest of me but my murderous intent has come to nought. No one wants to kill son-in-laws brothers.

Don't have the game running at the mo so that is why the details are as bad as my attempt to form the kingdom of Frisia!
 

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Quickly consolidated my new Empire, people were mostly happy with me. Whenever I caught a duke plotting I imprisoned them - I've been trying to get them to rebel so I can replace them with Scots but they just keep going to jail instead. At least it's keeping factions down.

I managed to change succession law in England to tanistry, and line up the two kingdoms of Scotland and England with the inheritance of the Empire, about 2 weeks before my character died. Currently my next character is also on track to inherit all 3 titles, but my vassals frequently change their minds and tanistry is so hard to control I may end up having a couple of large king vassals to deal with soon. As long as I can keep my British power under 1 ruler though, there shouldn't be a big problem.

Being an Empire makes the next land grabs quite simple. Landed a Capet and pressed his claim on France, netting me the kingdom, then turned towards strategic marriages for more future kingdom claims in Hispania. In the mean time I managed to convince the Pope to grant me a claim on Sevilla, opening up the Muslim controlled area of southern Spain. I can begin to take those areas with relative ease in a series of holy wars now.

My heir for some reason had a strong claim on the independent duchy of Barcelona, so as soon as I could land him I pressed it. During my war, Barcelona managed to take part of Algeria, hence the random part of Africa I now own. I'm happy to keep it for now. I have a landed count with a weak claim on Aragon, so I'm waiting to press that, and after that and the holy wars all I need to do is take out Castille, Leon, Galicia and then all that will be left is the HRE.

Currently the Kingdom of Burgundy is ~40 years drifted into HRE, so that gives me a time limit of 60 years to try and break at least a county away from them. Currently the HRE has 2 king level vassals, Lotharingia and Bohemia, the former of which is my dynastic baby granddaughter.

In other world news, the Empire of Tartaria has done basically nothing, so I'm not too concerned about them. However, another religious event occurred that was quite interesting:

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Under my third king, expansion was slow, I didn't get a lot of Duchy claims on France and the Spanish kingdoms and had to rely on my chancelor. And then I die. However, I do have a little plan on how to speed things up... :p
Meanwhile, Galicia angered me by inheriting a double county (previously owned by old Scottish royal house Dunkeld, as if they did this to spite the Dunbars), my de-jure drifting process of both Brittany and Normandy was hurt severely... :angry:

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Alright then, here we go. Took me a while to stabilize this (still not quite finished, I'm still stuck in Gavelkind for some reason), but it's done. Just in time when the Mongols arrive and Invasions start to be a fashionable thing, too. Those Catholic revolts are annoying right now, though...
 
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The next few years were mostly spent waiting for my new vassals to end their petty revocation revolts (guess I shouldn't only have revoked Duchy capitals, but I was lazy there :p) with two or three minor wars so I could manually switch from Gavelkind to Muslim succession. Once that is done and Piety is back up, I decide to invade Aragon...


... just to die almost immediately and become my 15-year-old strong heir, my fifth character. I had spent the last years in a very stable realm (well, lots of angry catholic peasants, but happy vassals) on Harsh Iqta Taxation and therefore was filthy rich, but even with bribing my dukes, this was pretty close to my first actual sucession crisis. With (almost at the same time) the war won and me becoming Grey Eminence (at last, after my two previous characters got underhanded rogue and charismatic negiotiator educations from their GE guardians), that's no longer a worry though. Looking at that HRE, I should probably be taking advantage of that huge revolt right now, they only have 7 of 33k men right now, I have 42 of 68k (most of these losses coming from a annoyingly large revolt in the Faroers, lost two thirds of my British levies to them while retinue and French levy took care of Aragon and their swarming allies). Don't have the piety for an invasion of (de-jure-drifted) Burgundy though, obviously. Maybe I'll try and eat towards their holy site instead, that's two HWs though. I have been a bit slow compared, but I think I can finish this before... 1280? Probably with king Gilbert still alive, since he's young and strong. Maybe 1250 even, not sure, I'd have to assassinate rulers or break truces. Holy Order baronies will be annoying if I want to be thorough, they're all over Spain and at least one order is a HRE vassal. I find it silly that you can only take one barony per war, even if they're in the same duchy. And then have to sit out a long truce. Aaargh.

Also, I'm very satisfied with those Schiltron Pike retinues - while I do miss the chain assault stomp wars of Skirmishers or Longbows, they tend to win at 2:1 odds without even having commanders in charge. Against normal levy, not Holy Orders. Against Holy Orders and their lots of HC, they might actually lose under these circumstances. Might. Sometimes they don't. Most part of a more stable HRE's army against 10k Schiltrons with my best commanders in charge in the Aquitaine war? No problem. If only they weren't so terrible at sieging, my wars always take forever...
 
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Gah. I wrote this post twice, and both times the tab froze when I clicked the insert image button. :mad: This time, I will do it manually...

So, under my new king (currently 27), I have so far taken the HRE's capital duchy, "survived" a crusade for France (few decades prior to that, the last crusade failed against a Lithuanian duke :p), and did a double invasion of Portugal (but only after taking Beja in a HW) and Aragon (I had already kicked them out of Aragon before, but they had most of Andalusia suddenly). I have 99.8k troops (so close), more than Byz (inherited by Arpads and turned Hungarian/Catholic, 49k) and HRE (strong again, 48k) together.




Wars I have yet to declare before finishing, disregarding those annoying Holy Order baronies as they will take decades and decades to fully get rid of:
HW for Leon (Portugal)
HW for Asturias (Portugal)
HW for Navarra (Aragon)
Conquest of Niebla (Zoghbadids/Africa)
HW for Seville (Hammadids/Mauretania)
Invasion of France (tiny but spread across 4 duchies, that's just too annoying. They just weren't important enough to invade yet, since I'm not that high on Piety...)
Invasion of Burgundy (HRE)

I will have to assassinate Portugal twice and Aragon once, but this looks doable by 1250. Even with slow carpet sieging, I hope. I'll just have to get another at least 600 piety from somewhere... I do get 9 a month and have some holy wars to do, shouldn't be too hard unless I lose lots of piety from those Portuguese assassinations. Or I can donate to the Hashashins, do a Ramadan and buy an indulgence from the Caliph...
 
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OK, as we are now halfway through this challenge, I will be telling my story. Early game progressed as normal, with me sitting on my hands fabricating claims in Ireland. After a few years of fighting, England under the Ynglings got their act together and declared a de-jure war on Scotland for Cumberland. Scotland promptly lost, and as I was still a count I became a vassal of the king of England without losing any land.

The king then created the Duchy of Northumberland, which I demanded and received. I then inherited Lothian from my dad. "Oh no!" thought nooby me. I will lose a duchy to gavelkind! Then my son, who I had made count of Lothian created a faction for primogentiure. Aha! I marched all my troops into Scotland and disbanded them, crippling my manpower. Sure enough, my errant son delivered his demands. I immediately caved in, ensuring he would inherit both duchies and cementing the Dunbars as Lords of the North.

England was still in chaos. Godwinsons and Wessexians and other random lords were constantly being supported by factions, resulting in decades of civil war. In this "interregnum" period I quietly snaffled Irish lands one county at a time, when disaster struck! In a short space of time many kings had died, all raising Crown Authority until it reached absolute. I could no longer declare war. Noob me didn't realise that each successful overthrowing of the king reduced authority, and panickily started a faction for independence, and because yet another civil war had started was granted it. A new era in the Dunbar story had begun.

I continued my conquest of Ireland, keeping a close eye on England, knowing that even a brief period of peace would lead to them coming for me. By some witchcraft, the civil wars continued until half-way through the 1100s, I ruled all of de-jure Ireland. I then set my sights on Brittany, which after some time fabricating claims, quickly fell. I then spotted a chance. A pop up had appeared, saying I could press a weak claim. I checked and it was my wife, who had a claim on England. I then took a mad chance and decided to claim England for the Dunbars. This was the hardest thing I had ever done in CK2, far eclipsed nowadays, but after a vicious struggle lasting more than 4 years my wife ruled England. Sadly my ruler was maimed in the final battle, and died soon after. The queen of England then died in an exploding manure accident. The Dunbars now ruled Ireland, England and Brittany.

Ouch this post is getting long. Next part tomorrow!
 

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I know! Really strange, isn't it? It was lucky I got to inherit before she got taken down by factions, which would have pushed my conquest plans back 100 uears, but still, what a weird accident.
 

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I know! Really strange, isn't it? It was lucky I got to inherit before she got taken down by factions, which would have pushed my conquest plans back 100 uears, but still, what a weird accident.

I to have never heard anything like that... Never!
 

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Well, it's been 50 years since my last update. The first 28 years I spent pressing whatever claims I could find. Had some de jure claims and was able to invite some claimants with pressable claims. In 1203, I was just about out of them unless I wanted to create more kingdoms, which I didn't because I'm in tanistry. At the time the map looked like:

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At that point, my court chaplain discovered something called Fraticelli. I agreed with him that it sounded great and converted. All of my vassals liked me enough that they agreed to convert with me. And, thus began the holy wars. Now in 1225, the map looks like:

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So far, I've converted 118 counties to Fraticelli. Moral authority is at 100%. Those silly Catholics have 0% moral authority. For most of this time period, I had the same ruler. After about a 56 year reign, he died in January of 1225. I haven't seen a dangerous faction let alone a revolt in this game yet. We'll see what happens with the new guy. The tanistry voters chose a possessed, voice of Jesus kinsman to rule. Currently, I have about 20K more troops than the HRE, so we'll be going after them very soon. I've saved up a war chest for assassination attempts, so hopefully this game won't last another 50 years.
 

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Couple of questions, as I might try some of these out, and not sure it is clear from the rules:

1) Are all games assumed to be ToG starts, unless otherwise specified?
2) Is Ironman required? (I think this should be specified, and required IMO)
3) Mods/No Mods? (I only use UI mods myself, but assume game changing mods would be out)

anyway, I think the answers to these questions should be clarified in the OP as standard rules (unless otherwise specified for a specific game)
 

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Couple of questions, as I might try some of these out, and not sure it is clear from the rules:

1) Are all games assumed to be ToG starts, unless otherwise specified?
2) Is Ironman required? (I think this should be specified, and required IMO)
3) Mods/No Mods? (I only use UI mods myself, but assume game changing mods would be out)

anyway, I think the answers to these questions should be clarified in the OP as standard rules (unless otherwise specified for a specific game)

Start dates will be listed in the challenge, and will be all over the place, not necessarily bookmarks either. Ironman is not required, for the simple fact it is incredibly frustrating when game breaking bugs pop up, and, frankly, I don't want to stare at an hour glass for hours on end. UI mods are fine, but mods that add mechanics, not so much. When the schedule clears up a bit I will be doing challenges from some of the popular mods, like Elder Kings, and AGOT.
 

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Well, I've had my first setback in this game since England kicked me out of Cumberland at the beginning. It's only been six years since my last update, but it feels like I've played 30 years. Everything started off well. The Muslims in Iberia were fighting amongst themselves and I quickly took three more duchies there in only a year. I checked the ledger and I now commanded the largest army in the world. I could raise 18K more troops than the HRE, so I decided it was time to start taking back Burgundy. It has drifted into de jure HRE by now, but I figure it must still be grabbed to complete the challenge.

I moved 30K longbow retinues to the border with Provence and declared a holy war for the Duchy. My plan was to quickly assault down the holdings in the Duchy to try to get as much war score as I could before the Kaiser could react. I hoped that by the time he did react, my levies would be gathered to act as reinforcements. Things went according to plan at first. My retinues were split into two stacks and assaulting provinces. For reasons of his own, the Kaiser sent 11K men into one of the stacks. I attempted to move my other stack into the county just in case, but it didn't matter. The battle was a slaughter. All 11K of the Kaiser's men died and I only lost a couple of hundred in the battle. The plan was working. I was at 87% war score. My retinues were still in tact. 16K in levies from Iberia and France had gathered in the area. Another 28K in reinforcements from the British Isles were on a boat heading to the area.

And, then it all went to shit. The Kaiser arrived with a stack of 68K men comprised of his men, the King of Sicily's men, The Knights Hospitallar, and the Templars. They shredded through my stacks before I could even begin to mount a defensive plan. The reinforcements from the British Isles arrived just in time to witness the end of the slaughter and to thus get routed themselves. I was still at 61% war score but I was down to about a third of my army. The situation didn't look very salvageable.

Of course, the Shia Caliph chose that moment to declare a Jihad for Andalusia. Fortunately, the Kaiser was willing to accept a white peace. I mumbled an apology to him for the attack and marched what was left of my armies to Andalusia. I had more than enough boats to get there faster, but by marching I could let my retinues reinforce a bit. My armies arrived in Andalusia just as the first wave of Jihadists did. I was outnumbered slightly, but through careful manuevering I was able to destroy that first wave. Hoping to get a quick end to the Jihad, I boarded my longbows on boats and sent them off to Egypt to siege down the Caliph's holdings. That got me to 80% war score, but it also allowed the Bektashi Order and a second wave of Jihadists to arrive in Andalusia and they shredded through the levies that were left there as I desperately got the longbows back on boats to get back to Iberia. The longbows arrived just in time to give relief and kill off the second wave of attackers. When that was done, it was back on the boats again to go back to Egypt. I killed off the Caliph's men who were trying to take back the holdings. Assaulted down a few more of his holdings and quickly got the war score to 100%. So, in 1231 I was able to force a surrender.

My realm levies are now all but decimated. I'm bleeding money rebuilding my retinues. Everything will replenish, of course, and I'll once again be the most powerful ruler in the world. However, it looks like I'm going to need to come up with new plan to retake Burgundy from the HRE. They haven't had a major revolt in over 100 years, so waiting for one isn't much of a plan. For now, I'll probably take the few territories in Iberia that I don't hold and see what develops. I have a feeling that a Crusade against me is probably coming soon as its been about 30 years since the last one and the Catholics hold Jerusalem.
 

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My story continues. After taking Ireland and England, Wales was much less of an issue. I could muster a large army, and most lords had a claim on some Welsh land. Scotland presented me with two issues. Caithness and Clydesdale. They were both owned by Denmark-Norway, who had been unified by the son of King Svend. The kingdom of Scotland was no trouble, but these two provinces required some serious thought. When this powerful coalition was at war with Sweden (which they lost, fortunately) I took my chance and took Clydesdale. By happy chance the Duke of Orkney and Iceland rebelled against his liege, allowing me to take Caithness, and Shetland and Orkney to boot. The British Isles were now mine to rule. Queen Octreda the Cruel was the first Dunbar to hold the glory of emperor.

But then all my English vassals joined one faction or another demanding a claimant to be in charge of England. Unwilling to fight several messy wars, I caved in to the first request. By happy accident it was the distant descendant of Eadger of Wessex. The rightful king ruled England. I had done a good deed.

I had expected this to take all game frankly, and was rather surprised that it was still the 12th century. But there was a problem. I looked east, and saw that Scandinavia was all but united. I looked south, and France had utterly collapsed. The HRE was slowly devouring the remains. I looked further south, and the Jimena were under one banner. I looked further still, and the Muslims had formed one huge Arabian Empire. Everywhere I looked huge empires were forming. I was rapidly getting left behind. Action had to be taken, or I would eventually be crushed.

Speaking of being crushed, the Holy Roman Emperor had found another member of House Wessex, and declared war for England. This was very tense. I took good advantage of the moral penalty for ship based troops, and somehow defended the Isles. I spent the next 50 years getting very lucky with claims, and snapped up many duchies. There was now an impasse in Francia. I controlled Brittany and 2/3 of de jure France. The Kingdom of Aquitane had formed, but had lost some land, and only controlled 3/4 of its rightful land. The HRE controlled the rest. But the struggle for Francia was soon eclipsed by a crusade for Anatolia. Byzantium had fallen.

Kings, Counts and Emperors alike, all answered the call of the one true faith. Gille-Brigte Dunbar the third led the forces of Brittania to devastating effect. But to no avail. Armies of Muslims poured into Anatolia, with my forces retreating to avoid a massacre. On the banks of the Bosphorus I was cornered (sneaky Arabs landed forces in Greece. Grrr.) The resulting battle was close, going from around 30,000 each down to less than 5000, but I lost. Not just the battle, my ruler became maimed.(I interpreted this as him getting his hand chopped off)

With my army destroyed and my ruler severely wounded at just 19, I could only watch as the crusade failed. God truly did not favour the faithful. This was the darkest period in Dunbar history.
 

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Next part of the story. When we left off, the crusade for Anatolia had failed and my ruler was maimed. After a few years recovering from my losses, I found a young woman deep in Spain who had a claim on the title of Aquitane (can you see where this is going?) and married her off to my son and heir. Who promptly died of pneumonia. Fortunately the woman didn't seem to mind marrying her ex-husbands brother. Another few years passed, she had a son so I pushed her claim. It was a surprisingly easy war, helped by two mercenary companies.

Then my family tree got a bit weird. My heir and the queen of Aquitane both died in quick succession. This made inheriting Aquitane a tad more challenging. But what do you know? Some nice person assassinated my 3 year old grandson. (It actually wasn't me! A check of the savefiles said it was an estranged cousin). I now controlled enough of France to form the Empire of Francia. Wooh! One Imperial independence revolt later and I had conquered much of Francia. But again, the lords conspired against me. This time they wanted a new ruler of Aquitaine. Not seeing the harm, I accepted. Big mistake. I spent the rest of the game wrestling with Aquitanian led factions. Very annoying.

In other news, the Muslims had taken Greece and invaded Italy. The pope, obviously not aware of the previous failure called a crusade for Italy. My ruler had somehow survived 43 years without a hand, and I elected to take part in this crusade. It was tough, but somehow I struggled. I had taken Rome in the early days of the war, and held it, but now a doomstack descended on the eternal city. With armies 2:1 my ruler defended against the much larger Muslim force. Somehow I won, despite having horrible flashbacks to an earlier time. The crusade was won with that battle. But Gille-Brigte Dunbar the Third was dead. I like to think he won absolution.
 

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My ruler had somehow survived 43 years without a hand.

Did he, get a golden hand?

*Edit: Never. Give. Kingdoms. To. Vassal. Never! Just destroy them, if you get an imperial title.
 

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Did he, get a golden hand?

*Edit: Never. Give. Kingdoms. To. Vassal. Never! Just destroy them, if you get an imperial title.

Haha. You'll like this, he became known as 'the Lionheart'. And yes, I now know to never give vassals a kingdom. I generally do it at the end of a play through. Makes everything look pretty.
 

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DONE. March 15, 1251. All of de jure Britannia, Francia and Hispania belong to me:

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The game over screen of my rulers:

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The last 20 years started out rough, but turning a setback into a positive shortened things up considerably. I started off by continuing the conquest of Hispania. As I was in a holy war for a duchy there, the HRE called a holy war against me. I quickly wrapped up the war in Iberia and tried to gather the forces into France to fend off the HRE. I got SLAUGHTERED. Although, I had plenty of men, longbow retinues just don't stand up against the holy orders and knights. I didn't have enough vassal levies to even things up and getting what I did have to the war zone in time was challenging as most of the levies were in the British Isles.

What I did have, however, was a possessed ruler who Jesus talked to. That meant that I had a lot of piety. Before the HRE could completely crush me, I converted to Catholicism to end the war. Then, I used my piety to kick all the holy orders out of my lands. That would save me time later as I wouldn't have to go barony by barony to kick them out. After doing that, I had just enough piety to convert back to Fraticelli before even unpausing. Sure, some might call that gamey, but JESUS TOLD ME TO DO IT!

In the meantime, the Muslims had retaken Jerusalem, so the Pope called yet another crusade for it. My retinues were down to 6K when they had been at 42K. I waited until they replenished and checked to see if the HRE had gone off to fight in the Crusade. They had, so I called another holy war for Provence. This time my longbows were free to do what they do best: assault. I got to 100% war score without a single battle. But, I still needed a plan for what to do when the HRE came back from crusading and decided to have another go at me. While flipping through the menus, I noticed that I could change succession laws. Oddly enough, none of my vassals were at war with each other and they all liked me. How often does that happen in a large realm? I bumped crown authority to high and changed from tanisty to primogeniture. Then, I created the three empires and destroyed the two kingdoms I held. While that pissed a lot of vassals off, they never were able to get enough faction power to revolt and most importantly it got me an additional 15K in vassal levies.

A miracle happened next. Two counties in the duchy of Dauphine revolted for independence from the HRE. These were the only two counties in revolt in the entire empire, but somehow they got a 23K stack of troops. My retinues were right in the area. So a quick holy war against the rebels got me those two counties. Then, the Kaiser died. That triggered a lower crown authority revolt in the HRE. One of the other counties in Dauphine was a part of the revolt, so I declared war for it and quickly won. Of course, the next moe was to take advantage of the war some more. None the Duchy of Savoy was in the revolt so I declared for it and won while the new Kaiser was busy.

Meanwhile, there were only four counties in Iberia that I still needed to take. They were all in the hands of a guy who was revolting against his liege. My vassals were warring for two of those counties. I declared for a third. Rather than going straight to the county that I was warring for, I first helped my vassals out. I destroyed all of the armies of the rebel that were around and then assaulted down all holdings in the counties my vassals were going after so it would be quicker for them to siege later. The guy surrendered to me and I turned back to the HRE to see what was happening there. It looked peaceful, so I assassinated the Kaiser, which put his one year old son on the throne. I declared a holy war for Upper Burgundy. I won quickly. I had called up my levies, but never even had to get them into the area. The longbows took care of it with assaults.

I was down to two counties that I needed to take from the HRE. They were both de jure territories of my vassal dukes. I gathered around one of them and waited for my retinues to replenish. When they did, I assassinated the boy Kaiser. Unfortunately, that put his incredibly good uncle on the throne. It increased the total army size of the HRE by 20K. Whoops. I declared war anyway. It was a slugfest and I needed everything that I had just to win the one county. But, my levies arrived just in time and were able to destroy the majority of the Kaiser's army. During the war, my wife died. I betrothed myself to a little girl as I really didn't want any more sons at that point just in case something went wrong and the game took longer than it was looking. Then, I got the blessed event where I could mourn my deceased wife. Jesus told me to choose the option that made me depressed and celibate. As soon as the war was over, Jesus also told my ruler to commit suicide and let his son take over.

I force marched my retinue to the last HRE county that I needed to take and declared war for it. The Kaiser surrendered without much of a fight. I checked out the situation in Iberia. My vassals had won their wars and I just needed to take one more county there. I marched down and took it within a few months. And that was it. Thanks to the HRE declaring holy war on me and all of my piety from being possessed, I didn't need to press a bunch of county claims against holy orders. All of the de jure holdings in the three empires were mine.

A couple of notes about the greater world in this game:
-Tartaria formed as an Orthodox empire.
-All Crusades were called for Jerusalem and won by the Catholics. The land was always taken back by the Muslims. The Capets won the first crusade so they kept getting the titles back in the subsequent crusades. They turned Levantine culture at some point.
-None of the Catholics in Scandinavia ever bothered to do anything about the remaining Norse there at the 1066 start. They have been raiding the entire game.
 

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Haha. You'll like this, he became known as 'the Lionheart'. And yes, I now know to never give vassals a kingdom. I generally do it at the end of a play through. Makes everything look pretty.

So he tore out a lion's heart while his hand was being chewed off :)

Concerning the pretty map just revoke their titles, and go NORTH KOREA MODE!
 

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Haha. You'll like this, he became known as 'the Lionheart'. And yes, I now know to never give vassals a kingdom. I generally do it at the end of a play through. Makes everything look pretty.

And what if the empire stretches over most of Europe and there's just far too many dukes to micromanage?

I think giving a kingdom to a dynasty member could be warranted...or even a necessity sometimes.