game is much easier then HOI2 DD

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I tried Mayan's on VH. So 1000% New World tech penalty + 50% tribal goverment and no ability to build ships and calvary ....

And I found that you can win without any modifications. I vassalized and diploannexed Castille. My armies are very cheap latin calvary (8,8 ducats only ... ?! ) Mayan's have so much money from gold, then I can spam them in any quantities.

So without any research (only 1 goverment tech is needed) and without ships you can go to WC. Land tech level is no important, becouse for calvary it changes a little only. (see common/technologies/land.txt).

Maya's started rampaging over Europe ....

 

[Nimic]

Good job, but you're not going to turn that into a WC. No chance. I'll believe it when I see it

 

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I tried Mayan's on VH. So 1000% New World tech penalty + 50% tribal goverment and no ability to build ships and calvary ....

And I found that you can win without any modifications. I vassalized and diploannexed Castille. My armies are very cheap latin calvary

Now here I see problems.

New world tech group don't get cavalry. Nor can you get latin without being in the latin tech group.

You could get cav for a limited amount of time from having other nations have cores on your land but that is of course limited to 50 years.

Nor can you DA different religions, mayans start as pagan without a way to change this.

 

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Now here I see problems.

New world tech group don't get cavalry. Nor can you get latin without being in the latin tech group.

You could get cav for a limited amount of time from having other nations have cores on your land but that is of course limited to 50 years.

Nor can you DA different religions, mayans start as pagan without a way to change this.

Hmm. There is no more Europeans in both Americas any more. I can spam 20 latin or charge calvary/year (8,8 ducats only for Mayas - bug ?). In 50 years there will be no more any european nation . Only taking Great Britain could be probably impossible (no ships). I can vassalize them right know (99% score in war in America), but becouse my very high BB I will never diploannex them ...

 

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In 50 years then you wont be able to recruit cavalary. You can only recruit cav in certain provinces that are cores of Europeans. even if the european nation doesn't exist anymore untill that core status runs out ie 50 years. Lets see how you handle the eastern armies then. In 50 years they will have a large tech advantage and you wont be able to get new cav

 

[Greywolf]

... Also the AI is not retarded.

OH YES IT IS !!!!

Please tell me what crap you are smoking for telling something like that. AI usually dont shine in thoses kind of games, but EUIII AI is pretty retarded, going from catatonic "cant care less" phase to maniaco-suicidal ones. It cant even manage his budget from years to years, it build troups, disband them then rebuild them again ...

The AI wont even accept when you sell it a province FOR FREE !!! "Here Ansbach, take this one province german I dont care in my Italian union." "No Thanks, my dear 200 relationship, allianced and liege master".

I understand you like the game but please be honest.

And the game IS too easy, I am currently making my own WC with 1 province Mantua, i am currently 1550, got inflation of 2%, BB of 6 and growing, I am already a major European power and will pretty soon start the vassalisations wars. And it is still my first EUIII game.

BTW I agree that cavalry units are overrated, they should definitely have a lower moral ( -50, -75 % ) when fighting with no infantery as backup.

I agree also that mercenary aren't costly enough, especially with small country, and they should stay for more than a few years after being payed for.

 

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In 50 years then you wont be able to recruit cavalary. You can only recruit cav in certain provinces that are cores of Europeans. even if the european nation doesn't exist anymore untill that core status runs out ie 50 years. Lets see how you handle the eastern armies then. In 50 years they will have a large tech advantage and you wont be able to get new cav

First I be able to build any foreign units far longer then 50 years, becouse with every conquered province I have next foreign cores. I will have always not worser units as enemy. BTW. In my game after diploannexing Castille, all their cores are gone but I can still build their units. So probably it never ends ....

Second, when I will have ex. 200 cavalry, then what is the point of building new ones ?

Third - tech reasearch is adding mainly more morale to cavalry. Even 0 tech stats are the same as 35 tech. Having good generals, tonns state of the art cavalry but having 0 tech only I can overpower AI with the last 59 tech. Of course this is only theoretical, becouse any AI will never reach that level ...

0 tech stats:
land_morale = 0
cavalry_fire = 0
cavlary_shock = 4

59 tech stats:
land_morale = 3,5
cavalry_fire = 0,1
cavalry_shock = 4,5

 

[Nimic]

Hmm. There is no more Europeans in both Americas any more. I can spam 20 latin or charge calvary/year (8,8 ducats only for Mayas - bug ?). In 50 years there will be no more any european nation . Only taking Great Britain could be probably impossible (no ships). I can vassalize them right know (99% score in war in America), but becouse my very high BB I will never diploannex them ...

50 years? Yeah, you go do that. Then come back with a screenshot. I wouldn't mind having that savegame when you've done it either

 

[bovinespy]

Kristof73, I'm probably missing something that's painfully obvious, but if you can't build ships as the Inca, how did you cross the Atlantic to get at Castille?

 

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50 years? Yeah, you go do that. Then come back with a screenshot. I wouldn't mind having that savegame when you've done it either

You can see almost conquered Europe as Granada after 100 years here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6501150&postcount=92 But of course I will soon post Europe under Maya's boot

Now I am in much better position to do it ex. in 50 years, becouse I posses both America's with a lot of gold. I can build much cheaper calvary (8,8 ducats only !?) and finally I know how to win faster.

Kristof73, I'm probably missing something that's painfully obvious, but if you can't build ships as the Inca, how did you cross the Atlantic to get at Castille?

I did it as was written in another post, by diploannexing vassalized Castille. I had 99% score fighting with them in America.

 

[bovinespy]

I did it as was written in another post, by diploannexing vassalized Castille. I had 99% score fighting with them in America.

Oh, OK - that makes sense. So even though the bulk of your troops are still 'trapped' in the New World, thanks to the vagaries of EU3's leader system, any super-generals you spawned can magically appear in Iberia.

Still, you had to wait for them to come to you. Is there any other way to do it, more 'pro-actively'?....

 

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Oh, OK - that makes sense. So even though the bulk of your troops are still 'trapped' in the New World, thanks to the vagaries of EU3's leader system, any super-generals you spawned can magically appear in Iberia.

Still, you had to wait for them to come to you. Is there any other way to do it, more 'pro-actively'?....

I lost first war with Castille having 30.000 casaulties. Then I build 80 native units and my masses overhelmed their strong cavalry. As you probably saw you can't DOW Europeans. But in my game they attacked other natives, and I could arrange diplomatic actions with them. So it was luck. Of course you can raise your BB very high and wait on DOW from them.

Then I disbanded all my poor Incan's armies and now spammed very, very cheap (8,8 gold only for Incan's) latin knights. Conqering Europe is very easy having such bargain on cavalry. I am building them as a mad having so lot of gold.

 

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Mayan world conquest..... :rofl:

What the hell happened with this game? Is this a new way to rope in casual gamers?

I love most of Paradoxes games, but unless someone can point me out to a previous, EU2 Aztec WC or something, I may let this one go for a while....

 

[Nimic]

So, how's the WC coming?

Oh, and Sapper_Astro, some (insane) people have done WC's with harder nations than Aztecs in EU2. Definitely.