Game Goal : Master of the Mediterranean

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They do get a strong start but they're also almost certainly going to be crusaded against, ally-less in Europe, and either fall behind or take a 50-year break to westernize and catch back up. Still a strong contender, and one I meant to do this with at first, but got caught up in the egyptian missions and turned towards india.

As Castile, though, I can call the crusade against them. It may work out. I managed to catch them while they were engaged in another war, so I could take another Algerian province as well as a dead-Byzantine core I can release and crusade in the "1st Castillian Holy War of Give-Stuff-Back"

Well, obviously, it's doable with a lot of countries if it's doable with Byzantium. Still, I don't think you should underestimate the staggering amount of tax base to be found in Persia and India to make a play for the Med, precisely because you won't get the overseas penalty. I'm actually playing another Byzantium game now, where I went east instead of towards the Mediterranean, and if I hadn't permanently lost control of the HRE due to a bug, or if the cores hadn't expired, there's no good reason I couldn't have cleaned house in Europe, too.

Without the extra 50 years to consolidate you need as Byzantium, the sky's the limit, because between Europe, North Africa, Aden/Arabia, Persia and India you can really maximize that AE burn-off. You'll need to fight your way down to Persia and then sail down to India to use those at the same time, but it's absurd what you can do as the Ottomans with a little elbow grease and an Overseas Expansion CB. Rush to secure the Indian coast and rack up a coalition if necessary, but after that you've got so many different areas to fight in that you don't really need to worry about them. Geography is everything. :V
 

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One of the weirder campaigns I've had, but going reasonably well

Portugese king dies at age 12, forming a PU under me. Well, sweet! Only thing they colonized is Cape Verde so nobody has even set foot in the Americas from what I can tell. England planted one in Rio that got wiped out by natives.

Berbers were a great nuisance; both Portugal and Tunisia took forever to even start coring some of them, so I had to eat the coring cost on Casablanca, then used the mission twice to cheapen the cost for Melilla and Oran and just do those myself.

Ottomans have been a serious, serious pain. Redone combat mechanics meant they were trashing my no-military-ideas-yet army and their full navy idea set was easily routing my own, since I took diplomacy to try to spread some more marriages and alliances around and allow a few more vassals, which has certainly helped - got to Diplo-vassalize a Serbia that'd been crushed by Otto as well as take Tripoli by force. Holy war vs. Algiers provided enough warscore thanks to crushing Algier's troops over and over as they spawned to force their Ottoman protector to return Serbian cores.

Integrated Portugal and after an agonizing wait (thank you 0 / 0 / 0 Castillian piece of crap heir Enrique) to get to Adm 10 hit the ND to inherit Aragon (which thankfully I had gotten the wedding for, thought I might hit 1500 without it and have to force it). Let me boost my army up to 90 and navy to 100, which meant enough galleys to finally tangle with the super-buffed Ottoman one via pure swarming. Fabricated claim cross-sea on Corfu provided the staging point as well as a land crossing area my ships could prevent re-acquisition of for the war goal... and boom, big punch to take most of Byz cores back.

The far north is seriously messed up with various religious and patriot rebellions hitting all of Scandinavia despite Denmark inheriting both the others. Novgorod has actually survived and appears to be trading provinces with Muscovy who lost her vassals... poor Hainaut I'm pretty sure got hit with *both* reformation starters. Savoy and Naples have my dynasty, so that may bear fruit, and France is a willing ally and marriage partner, though she recently became a heretic nation. Papal State conquering half of Italy and won the coalition war against her...

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Sorry, my eyes saw the word Algiers, but my brain understood Tripoli, their the ones that were allied with the Ottomans in my game.

Yea, they tend to do that alliance as well. That's how I force-vassalized Tripoli.

Mamluks down for the count, Balkans were returned to Byz and Bulgarian control before being annexed. Syria's cores all returned and being annexed. Ottomans can now be tackled for direct conquest, though hopefully I can release Mentese to ease the coring costs of their southwest coast.

France now hates my guts, but Savoy accepted a diplo-vassal once 10 years of @#$@$#ing -5 diplo rep that happened twice in a row wore off. Genoa fell to a poorly-timed insult vs. me when they had one ally. Austrian Emperor has been rather inept and has been on 2nd reform for a century. Almost had a PU with Hungary, I wept when their son was born

Americas are funny. Nothing but some Britain in the Caribbean and a French colony or two

Oh, and 15-year regencies are not cool. Though manpower remains an issue

Enemies left : France, Milan, Mantua, Papal State, Venice, Austria, Hungary, Ottomans, Poland, Crimea, Qara Qoyunlu

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Yea, they tend to do that alliance as well. That's how I force-vassalized Tripoli.

Mamluks down for the count, Balkans were returned to Byz and Bulgarian control before being annexed. Syria's cores all returned and being annexed. Ottomans can now be tackled for direct conquest, though hopefully I can release Mentese to ease the coring costs of their southwest coast.

France now hates my guts, but Savoy accepted a diplo-vassal once 10 years of @#$@$#ing -5 diplo rep that happened twice in a row wore off. Genoa fell to a poorly-timed insult vs. me when they had one ally. Austrian Emperor has been rather inept and has been on 2nd reform for a century. Almost had a PU with Hungary, I wept when their son was born

Americas are funny. Nothing but some Britain in the Caribbean and a French colony or two

Oh, and 15-year regencies are not cool. Though manpower remains an issue

Enemies left : France, Milan, Mantua, Papal State, Venice, Austria, Hungary, Ottomans, Poland, Crimea, Qara Qoyunlu

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Nice job, I think you should go after France first. :D
 

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Should have done France earlier, IMO. Find a good opportunity to war them and either release Guyenne/Tolouse as your own vassal or at least as independents to be conquered later.
 

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Should have done France earlier, IMO. Find a good opportunity to war them and either release Guyenne/Tolouse as your own vassal or at least as independents to be conquered later.

That's what I did early in my game, as soon as I saw that France had started to annex their vassals. I waited for them to get in another war, and declared one of my own. It ended up being France and their minions vs. Castile, Portugal, Aragon, Naples, Tunesia, Tripoli, Austria, Burgundy, the Papal States and a couple of HRE minors in two different wars. Needless to say, France is once again divided :p
 

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I did this as Venice. Got the 'reclaim the holy city' mission which allowed me to focus on annexing north africa and the mamluks early on while I wasn't strong enough to defeat the ottomans. Once you have unified Italy, conquered the ottomans and snaked around Crimea then you should easily be strong enough to take the provinces you need from France and Spain.
Biggest problem was early Ottoman aggression since they curb stomp you until you have a severe advantage, got lucky with Austria and attacked them with France after which they never tried to take back the land I took.
Most valuable vassals were Tunisia/Tripoli/Croatia/Naxos and Dulkadir, these vassals ate most of the coastline. Tripoli in particular had almost all of North Africa after I annex'd Tunisia.
Really liked the -80% culture change bonus for overseas, had all my Asian and African provinces as lombard culture.
 

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Should have done France earlier, IMO. Find a good opportunity to war them and either release Guyenne/Tolouse as your own vassal or at least as independents to be conquered later.

I only need a single province from France (Languedoc), so I'm not all that worried about them, and meanwhile, my military idea sets will keep stacking up.

Debating whether I will make a play for becoming Emperor. I'd have to get caught up in a war that lets me force-vassalize some electors

Meanwhile, once the other coring is done, I'll be set on crushing Ottomans completely, probably followed by finishing up the Black Sea. Then back towards Europe clean-up. I guess I'm gonna have to piss off the Pope and start annexing his lands.
 

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Fought Ottomans, took 6 provinces from them in peace deal thinking I could release Mentese and pass a few off... only to discover that all the minor cores in Turkey were now gone. ouch. 120% OE for 7 years and a coalition war to fight off as a result. Harsh. But won.

Marriages and Alliances jumping around in Europe. No luck with any PUs...not for me, at least. But France got one over Denmark, who reacquired everything in Scandinavia, and frickin' Lithuania has one over Muscovy, and of course managed to take one province from Crimea while I was in truce. But eh.

Savoy got incorporated, Georgia was liberated, fed, and annexed to continue the Black Sea circuit. Otto the Man nicely moved his capital from Istanbul to some desert province in the middle, letting me finish him off by taking it and a couple other coastals, dropping all but the Crimean capital out of Muslim concerns.

Venice and Mantua are vulnerable to forced-vassalization after taking Cyprus and Modena from them in the 6th-War-Of-Whatever that I got placed in charge of in Europe. Will have little choice but to backstab Hungary now and free Croatia before it loses its cores. Wars will now mean hundreds of thousands of hostile troops. At least France remains Protestant, allowing a warscore accumulation through battle when I tackle them.

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It certainly highlights the ludicrousness of mid to late game alliances everywhere. I'm pretty sure you could play connect-the-alliance and tag every nation in Europe from one end to another.
 

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Finally caught France at a weak moment and launched a 'change of government' war that brought in enough allies to allow Languedoc and half of France to be sacked and looted...while French armies were off... somewhere? Probably in America, since France, Netherlands, and Britain are the only ones colonizing. One province removed from the blue blob in peace deal...hurrah!

Papal State refused to accept the overlordship of the great Spanish Empire, which meant slowly annexing provinces from them. One province taken every 5-6 years didn't seem to cause much alarm, so coalition was avoided. Mantua decided to help out with her own war to steal Romagna, which let the Papacy be vassalized one war sooner, and Mantua slapped upside the head right after to return one core plus take Ferrara, her only port. Mantua itself can rot for all I care, I need it not.

Ottomans and Crimea both got hit by nasty wars resulting in the abolition of their treaty together. Yes! Thus Crimea itself fell under my sway.

That left only wildly-interlocked alliance blobs that would be a puzzle to undo. Most of my allies are also targets, and most of them are allied with each other.

In the French war, I peaced out Bohemia by annulling treaty with Lithuania and some various others. As our marriage had ended due to the 'death' of the regency there... that gave me a good opening to attack without dissolving alliance or using the curia (which I have had an iron grip on for centuries now) to annul the marriage.

A purging of heresy war against Wallachia brought Austria, Hungary and Poland, 3 of Lithuania's allies, to my side, thus preventing them from coming to Lithuania's aid shortly. I wanted Crimea and Ferrara to finish coring, though...and Poland decided to white peace out in the meantime. Hmmm... actually, that would work out, since I needed Bessarabia along with the Crimean-turned-Lithuania Yedisan. Two provinces finish coring, another war begins. The eastern tech units are butchered heavily by my full-offensive-full-defensive-full-quality western troops, despite Lithuania still leading a Muscovy PU that meant hundreds of thousands of troops on their side - but stacks of 30-40 regiments were being cut like butter and adding 5-15 warscore each. pow! Occupied the two targets quickly and ran around sieging and killing until they would accept the peace.

The Black Sea is mine.

Papal State is annexed and Rome added to the great Empire. I'm sure the Catholics will complain about the loss of the Holy See soon enough...oh well.

Sightings of "ships" grow infrequent along the coastline of great Spain, as only the mighty Armada Real sails together to bring troops from battle to battle. Several trade nodes go completely unpatrolled, with nations no longer able to survive the hostile waters to reach them. Only a few stalwart nations in Italy have the audacity to keep sending light ships around, and worries of 'pirates' grow in the minds of the serfs.

10 Provinces remain in the hands of 4 nations : Milan, Venice, Austria, Hungary. Overextension, Aggression, incredible coring costs, world wars, and treacherous backstabs must be endured to acquire them.

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I may have angered some people in my callous betrayal of long-time ally Hungary :(

5 provinces left, 2 nations
If hitting Hungary made people mad, annexing Venice is going to send all of Europe into conniptions
And then there's still Gorz...damn you, Austria

and ouch, those coring costs hurt

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I really don't understand coalitions or why some nations even join them. Gotland? srsly?

I may just chill out for 30 years or so and let AE wear down.
 

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For the Hungarian coast, was Croatia not releasable any more?
 

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That's not Cyprus....

wat?

For the Hungarian coast, was Croatia not releasable any more?

Yea, it expired in 1694. I really wanted to get there in time to release them, but I didn't have the right opportunity to hit Hungary. So I ate the coring costs. Harsh, but not terrible, they're like 6, 3, 3, 1 base tax and I had a claim on one, my admin tech is not that relevant anymore. At most I could just use one more idea set to take Quantity and boost my manpower to great extremes.

France + half a dozen started one coalition war and Lithuania fired off a second a year later. Right in the middle of Liberalism. I let the liberals change my gov't since a 6 / 6 / 4 guy would take lead, I have a skill 3 Artist who fired the 20% discount, and I'm trading in wine.

I'm hoping pirates start spawning!
 

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Managed to ally with Hansa just in time to enforce peace on Cologne who was attacking the new Papal State that was being defended by Hansa in order to be at war with Austria without DOW'ing her myself and by assuming leadership of a defensive war allow me to take an unclaimed Gorz at 75% AE without ruining relations

...so convoluted.

Venice stands alone!
 

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Let the AE wear down a bit until just stalwart little Mantua remained in the coalition. Fabricated claims on Venice one at a time (at like 7% chance a month discovery, vetting + high base tax + stability ouch, but got lucky) and started taking one province every 8 years or so.

Pro Tip : You can avoid being hit by the Emperor's "unlawful territory" demand if you are at war until it is cored since they cannot demand a non-core be returned nor ask for it while the target is at war. So I would capture Verona, then declare holy war on Wallachia, Ottomans, or Mamluks - and easily win - then just sit there for 4-5 years while the province cored and they kept asking for peace over and over.

Finally down to the last two provinces and those rat bastards needed 102% for both of them. So I said to hell with it, took one, broke truce, and took the other. Yea, the next day of this game will probably be 80 nations joining a coalition, but who cares? I dun it. Wars end pretty fast when 120+ troops storm the walls without even bothering to let a siege tick

Oddly enough, pirates never spawned despite eastern black sea and the area around judea not receiving any patrols. So I just started doing them cause I was losing 33% tax from lack of patrols

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Congrats, great job!

Now Spain has finally fulfilled its manifest destiny: having a whole lot of beaches so Europeans can come over to get a tan and eat paella.
 
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Managed to ally with Hansa just in time to enforce peace on Cologne who was attacking the new Papal State that was being defended by Hansa in order to be at war with Austria without DOW'ing her myself and by assuming leadership of a defensive war allow me to take an unclaimed Gorz at 75% AE without ruining relations

...so convoluted.
That IS impressively convoluted!

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